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the night the greys revealed Peter

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- mag hello everybody and welcome to

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another edition of inside out Limits

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radio show with myself

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Chris Evers and of course my co-host

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Philip mantel I fell how we don't

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evening Christopher honky-dory at this

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end thank you oh it's Christopher this

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week is so how you keepin fill what

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what's been going on well you know

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everything's fine here you know

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preparing books for flying this press

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for next year so literally been editing

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them and preparing them for publication

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and that I'll continue right up until

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Christmas so hopefully get most of them

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ready excellent I understand you've

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actually just recently

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got a publisher in Japan is that correct

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yeah yeah I mean the gentleman's coming

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up we're gonna speak to this evening is

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Calvin Parker and for those are not

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aware you know I published Calvin's own

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book earlier this year and which went on

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to be an Amazon bestseller and

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we'd already sold the rights to Spanish

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and German outfits but I've been

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communicating with a chap in Japan and

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you know in no time at all we signed the

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deal and he translated the book or

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almost you know in an instant and and

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it's out now in Japan as an e-book you

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know you know unhelpfully later next

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year maybe in paperback as well but that

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that's only a maybe but it is out in

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Japanese good heavens there's no

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stopping you fill one minute Pontefract

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the next minute you've taken over the

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world okay so shall we introduce Calvin

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well yes I mean our guest this evening

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all the way from Moss Point Mississippi

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who will be a gentleman who will be one

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of the main speakers at the Outer Limits

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magazine conference in Pontefract next

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year is my friend I'm pleased to say

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Calvin Parker good evening Calvin hey

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how are y'all today

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well I Calvin nice to speak with a

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spirit to speak to you Calvin I mean you

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and I have spoken many times on skype

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but this is the first time on our on our

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on our our inside the Outer Limits like

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to thank you for taking the time out

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this evening Calvin and all your about

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six hours behind us there but just just

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like to make you welcome thank you

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yeah it's about lunchtime here I don't

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know what probably about six there it

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meant made then that's right now for

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those who was correct we're not aware

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you know Calvin was one of two gentlemen

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who on October the 11th 1973 on the

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Pascagoula River in Mississippi I

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decided to go fishing for the evening

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Calvin to this day it's still a keen

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fisherman he's his paddler that night

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was Charles Hickson who's suddenly no

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longer with us

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and and what took place you know on that

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evening has become one of the classic

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close encounters that we have on record

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and but before we go into that Calvin

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just tell us a little bit of what I'm a

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bit about yourself who is Calvin Parker

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for though for those who've never met

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you before who are you what have you

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done with your life Calvin well I had

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done a whole lot with my life but I'm

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just a little country redneck uneducated

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redneck boy and I told somebody the

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other day you know at one time in my

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life and that was the day of this

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abduction I got a physical I got hard I

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got fired and everything else from the

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same day so I've had quite a time

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getting here I've jumped from job to job

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I've owned the construction business and

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you know other than that I just love to

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fish around the world as well go Calvin

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haven't you

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oh yes I have my jobs carried me many of

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places I've been in the North Sea

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Singapore Libya Alaska and the Aleutian

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changed just a little bit of everywhere

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and it wasn't the life that I planned

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the life a plan was to get married buy a

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house pay for it all my life

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I owned a car and then retired and fish

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but it didn't quite work out that way

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it's just kind of the opposite well

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you've been around the world Calvin but

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you've never been to West Yorkshire have

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you I have not and I am looking so

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forward into being I guess it's this

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August in it it's August the 17th 2019

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you'll be in sunny Pontefract in the

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town hall

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you know you'll receive a warm welcome

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and we're all looking forward to it

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oh absolutely I've got got to agree with

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that 100% can I just point something out

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to you Calvin

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yes sir and if you

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do exams what we call high school what

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you would probably call high school it

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means fill out this conversation the

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other day actually all it proves is that

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you can remember certain questions

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certain answers to certain questions at

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that particular time I personally don't

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think there's any more valuable

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experience than living a life and you

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know so more power to you that's what I

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say oh thank you and I've seen some

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really dumb people that had some good

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education you know give me somebody a

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little bit of common sense anyhow

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somebody asked what why didn't you go to

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school and I always said I did was to

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meet my wife they said well how did you

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do that what at 15 years old I was

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driving her school bus no no when she

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went to get off the second day I was

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driving I just closed the door in her

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face so we skipped school and went

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places and I found her daddy was gonna

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kill me then so but I've been here you

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know it's just one of them things

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at the age at the age of 15 we can all

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take on the world can't believe nothing

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worries us Oh God

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no reason to worry about too much I had

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already been through the creep can photo

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eight-pack of him little small Miller

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ponies they drink over here in the water

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to keep them cold and we had a lunch

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made you know of course down here in the

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South for lunch at lunch just whatever

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you catch you wanna eat that's fine

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mm-hmm well it what we move forward in

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time Calvin I mean how did you meet

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child Charles Hickson old Charlie how

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did you come across him well actually

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you know everybody said that Charlie

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would was a good friend of mine but it

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really wasn't he was a friend of my

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father's and I've known Charlie I guess

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since I was six years old we all lived

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in a little small town heaven my father

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used to fish together and I Charlie's

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kids and myself myself we and brother

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would all go fishing with him a lot of

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times so I got to know him and his whole

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family but uh Charles was kind of quiet

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and reserved

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you know most of the time and then the

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only time I really got to know him was

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when I took a job with him in Pascagoula

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and this was October the 10th and I

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didn't get to know him as a friend long

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because you know October 12th I got

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fired and went back home well let's talk

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about why you got fired Calvin I mean

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you'd only know you know Charlie a while

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but you know not up close and personal

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you went to work with him in in in the

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shipyards there it was a Ingalls

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shipyard no I actually it was help me

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Walker inside ship that's right that's

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right so you went to work with him and

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then who was it all decided to go

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fishing on October the 11th what was it

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you or Charlie it was really Charlie's

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idea because I hadn't I didn't bring no

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fishing equipment with me I come down on

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the 11th and I rented the room from

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Charlie in his apartment that he was

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living in he gave me a job so on the

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level of October 11th we went to work

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and it was a hot day for October I mean

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it was warm humid so we worked all that

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about knowing Charlie what was eating

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lunch he said why don't we go fishing

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this a didn't kind of wind down a little

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while and I thought that was a good idea

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I said with Charlie I don't have no

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fishing equipment he said well I got

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some young Bari I said I don't borrow

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people's fishing equipment

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he said no we'll go home you can use my

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fishing equipment now I don't know if

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y'all know but down in the South for

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persons fishing equipment is sacred to

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him you know you just soon bar his wife

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as you had this fishing I'll borrow your

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fishing equipment so we rode to his

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house and picked up all some fishing

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equipment he gave me one of his worst

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ones that was wore out in all because

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that's just what she did we drove it was

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about a 15-minute ride the world we was

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going to feel

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they said oh I know a great prey place

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and I wish now I had known what he said

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because I wouldn't went there and I said

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all right so we started out at a no

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grain elevator which is just below the

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saltpetre shipyard where we where we was

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ended up at the end but uh we started

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out at a grain elevator that wasn't

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doing much good they said well let's go

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over to video Oh show Peter shipyard

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dinner that I fish had it all the time I

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said well okay so we drove over there

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and buddy was in a mess they was posted

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signs up and it was trash all over the

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place nice and Charlie you know they got

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posted signs up here let's not go

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fishing here I don't want to go to jail

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no I do it all time and dad I didn't

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doubt even if it was posted so we kind

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of made her way got her fishing

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equipment struggled to get down to where

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though pier was got an old log that we

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drug up over there set on that log and

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just cast it out and we were sitting

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there waiting on the bait but while he

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was sitting there waiting on a by I was

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noticing an old ship across all the way

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across the river a big one it was

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probably a Coast Guard Cutter or NOAA

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shell it was one another but it was a

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big old ship and I was thinking to

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myself now how to steal how does

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something made out of steel float on

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water that just amazed me all the time

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how something made out of steel or they

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even have concrete ships or anything

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that could float and about that time I

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seen some blue hazy lights coming from

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behind me that was reflecting across the

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water and I thought uh-oh

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you know they hear the runners off oh

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they don't want us fishing here this is

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posted so I stood up and back that time

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Charlie stood up when you say they were

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gonna run you off did you think that was

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the police coming oh I just knew it was

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a place cuz it was the same color lights

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it was on the patrol cars just

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aníbal it instead of Mississippi that

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kind of blue but the kind of a hazy

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looking blue and one of them to go a

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long ways when they turn them on they

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just reflect everywhere and that's what

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was going on and I was thinking to

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myself we had a lot of trouble you know

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they gonna run us off probably find us

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$50 which $50 in the sadness was a lot

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of money yeah definitely it is today for

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some people always still is for me

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exactly that's fish make money so Oh

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excellent

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sorry philosophy but I just thought you

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would view it is fish bait money that's

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fun to us oh yeah it cost for live bait

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on the Mississippi Gulf Coast it costs

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$40 a trip to go fishing and I used to

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go five six days a week before I meant

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Phillip then that changed all that but

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we were sitting there fishing and we

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noticed the lights and we stood up and

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turned around and looked and all of a

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sudden the blue lights just faded out in

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a bright light shined on us and it was

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almost paralyzing the way this light did

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I mean you had to squint your eyes

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because you really couldn't see so by

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the time our eyes adjusted a little bit

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we've seen something floating well we

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couldn't tell him it was floating or not

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taught us that it was coming toward us

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and it was really moving and fast

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and I was wondering and you know fear

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didn't have time right then to hit and I

324
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was thinking to myself now how can they

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move across this mess this fast because

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the grass was probably 5 foot tall at

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times and yet I was just going right

328
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through it and then all that junk and

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when they got closer then I noticed I

330
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was thinking more you you've had it now

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so it was some bulky now I'll call them

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robots and I don't know what they were

333
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but it was bulky great looking creatures

334
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kind of had wrinkled skin favorite'

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elephant

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or a manatee if you don't want a manatee

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years but it was yeah just real rough

338
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looking skin what two of them got ahold

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of Charlie and one of them got ahold of

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myself well when it like I say I didn't

341
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have time to really be afraid not to get

342
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my adrenaline up or anything but I was

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thinking about where acted Ron it was

344
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nowhere to run I mean we had debris on

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the left and the right we had water

346
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water off in front of us and it was full

347
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old debris and stuff so you know but

348
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when it got ahold of us it just like

349
00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:08,710
relaxed all at one time but I couldn't

350
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move anything but my eyes now for this

351
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up point on I can't speak for Charlie

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because I didn't see Charlie no more

353
00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:21,670
until we come out of the craft but this

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thing got ahold and it automatically

355
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levitated up a couple of foot off the

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ground and started moving toward the

357
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craft and I was sitting here thinking

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you know I could think I could see and I

359
00:16:41,310 --> 00:16:39,250
could hear and I could smell and I was

360
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thinking how did he pick me up without

361
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:44,430
breaking my harm it just levitated us up

362
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and we stood it on toward the craft and

363
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as I got toward the craft

364
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I tell myself just looking in the craft

365
00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:54,460
and trying to see some lights but you

366
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know it's hard to see without being able

367
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to turn your head you just look inside

368
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and out of the walls a little like

369
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that's where the light was coming from

370
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the like the light was just painted into

371
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the walls it was what I guess they call

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illuminating and it was still bright

373
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it's still blinding but that's what I

374
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had my mind set on and I was actually

375
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looking for you know anything I could

376
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say to tell about what was fixing to

377
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happen to us and then he kind of jogged

378
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off to the left with me now I'm sure

379
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Charlie went off to the right because I

380
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didn't see no more rooms over there on

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the left

382
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and made a little right turn that's when

383
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though we came into a little room

384
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and he laid me on an examination table I

385
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guess it was a table I don't know if

386
00:17:53,009 --> 00:17:50,889
it's even to Hegel there but has laid me

387
00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:53,019
on something now I couldn't feel it

388
00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:55,750
nothing on my back where he laid me but

389
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I was at about a 45-degree angle and

390
00:18:03,899 --> 00:18:00,880
just suspended there so I figured there

391
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had to be a table then all of a sudden I

392
00:18:07,710 --> 00:18:05,590
was looking straight up because I

393
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couldn't turn my head to look anywhere

394
00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:10,269
else something about the size of a deck

395
00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:12,070
of cards just came down out of the

396
00:18:18,930 --> 00:18:16,600
ceiling it stopped about a foot from my

397
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hives right in front of me and it made a

398
00:18:22,919 --> 00:18:21,309
clicking noise when it clicked there

399
00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:22,929
then it went to my right ear and it

400
00:18:28,289 --> 00:18:24,850
clicked and behind my head and clicked

401
00:18:30,419 --> 00:18:28,299
and went to the left of my head and

402
00:18:33,019 --> 00:18:30,429
clicked and then it got in that position

403
00:18:36,299 --> 00:18:33,029
went straight back up into the ceiling

404
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:36,309
well by this time you would think that

405
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Oh fear would just really overcome you

406
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:42,580
but you know for some reason it didn't

407
00:18:48,060 --> 00:18:45,970
in a later on I found out that this

408
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:48,070
warned when he picked me up had gave me

409
00:18:54,269 --> 00:18:52,000
an injection marked in the arm and that

410
00:18:56,730 --> 00:18:54,279
really came from the hospital there from

411
00:19:02,669 --> 00:18:56,740
the doctors at the emergency room now

412
00:19:04,289 --> 00:19:02,679
this is the next day but uh I figured I

413
00:19:06,930 --> 00:19:04,299
was injected with some kind of

414
00:19:10,769 --> 00:19:06,940
tranquilizer or something where all I

415
00:19:14,399 --> 00:19:10,779
could do is just look but I couldn't

416
00:19:16,379 --> 00:19:14,409
turn my head still and you know I was

417
00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:16,389
thinking the other day today the bat my

418
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:18,990
eyes I can't remember even bat my eyes

419
00:19:24,210 --> 00:19:22,450
when all this was going on it it's funny

420
00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:24,220
how you can start thinking back on

421
00:19:30,269 --> 00:19:26,710
things it seemed a little bitty stuff

422
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:30,279
that's happened and wonder about it but

423
00:19:36,090 --> 00:19:33,250
not really know for sure about it so as

424
00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:36,100
I was laying on this table looking up

425
00:19:40,590 --> 00:19:38,049
and it's dealed and shot back up into

426
00:19:43,470 --> 00:19:40,600
the ceiling there's so big ugly things

427
00:19:46,590 --> 00:19:43,480
I'm backed up out of the way now I think

428
00:19:49,169 --> 00:19:46,600
he was probably some kind of a soldier

429
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:49,179
or something but he was robotic I

430
00:19:56,399 --> 00:19:52,960
believe because he moved it will that a

431
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:56,409
I don't know my kids how to say him but

432
00:20:00,830 --> 00:19:57,520
it was not

433
00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:00,840
a conscience movie just mechanical mood

434
00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:04,390
but then on the right I seen something

435
00:20:08,850 --> 00:20:07,000
kind of coming to poured me and I roll

436
00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:08,860
my eyes over and looked and it was a

437
00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:12,910
different looking no creature it was

438
00:20:18,330 --> 00:20:15,370
more of a female or feminine looking

439
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:18,340
creature and everybody asked me well how

440
00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:20,290
do you know it's a female well I really

441
00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:23,230
didn't know it was a female or not but I

442
00:20:30,060 --> 00:20:26,860
this animal sent about a man a man can

443
00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:30,070
sense when he's around a female like a

444
00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:32,110
female could sense when there's a male

445
00:20:37,380 --> 00:20:34,870
and they just felt like a female it was

446
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:37,390
more feminine than looking now Road my

447
00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:40,330
eyes to look to see about what was

448
00:20:45,390 --> 00:20:43,420
fixing to happen because I guess that

449
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:45,400
little tranquilizer stuff is starting to

450
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:48,490
wear off a little bit and she just kinda

451
00:20:52,830 --> 00:20:51,010
or it whatever it was just reached up

452
00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:52,840
and kind of pinched me on the side of

453
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,480
the chin with her fingers and the things

454
00:21:00,240 --> 00:20:58,000
that I noticed about her she had fingers

455
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,250
where the other one didn't have fingers

456
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:03,520
and head like crab-like pincers on his

457
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:06,730
hand or mittens or something but this

458
00:21:12,690 --> 00:21:10,240
one had fingers definitely and was able

459
00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:12,700
to grab my skin and just kind of mash it

460
00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:14,950
together and I I don't know why I just

461
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:17,460
trying to figure the texture of my skin

462
00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:21,250
then all of a sudden she took her finger

463
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:24,130
and run it down my throat and back in

464
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:26,170
behind that thing that hangs down any

465
00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:27,970
throat I don't know what they call it

466
00:21:33,390 --> 00:21:30,280
but I call it the little hang me down

467
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:33,400
and kind of curled her finger trying to

468
00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:35,530
go up into my nasal passage because it

469
00:21:39,810 --> 00:21:38,200
was choking me then I was starting to

470
00:21:42,210 --> 00:21:39,820
get scared you know because I was

471
00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:42,220
choking I couldn't catch my breath my

472
00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:46,600
nose started bleeding there now and it

473
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:48,460
was just like she had talked to me like

474
00:21:53,850 --> 00:21:50,530
I could hear the voice just as plain as

475
00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:53,860
anything and her mouth didn't move

476
00:21:58,590 --> 00:21:55,480
because I was sitting there with my eyes

477
00:22:01,940 --> 00:21:58,600
open looking at it and I'm not even

478
00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:01,950
gonna tell you what I was thinking but

479
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:06,190
she said just like she had told me don't

480
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:09,280
worry we're not gonna hurt you well I

481
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,290
kind of call me damnit you know

482
00:22:15,030 --> 00:22:13,360
it's hard not to worry when you got

483
00:22:17,550 --> 00:22:15,040
somebody's finger down behind you a

484
00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:17,560
little hang me down in your throat yeah

485
00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:19,300
yeah you get to thinking where you

486
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:22,390
choking the Deaf you're dying and she

487
00:22:27,450 --> 00:22:25,360
pulled her fingers out my nose started

488
00:22:29,490 --> 00:22:27,460
bleeding and I was just bleeding

489
00:22:32,730 --> 00:22:29,500
everywhere and she kind of made a little

490
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:32,740
numbering mumbling sound and it's hard

491
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:35,050
to describe it but when she did no big

492
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:37,510
ugly when came back in and I

493
00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:39,490
automatically when he grabbed me by the

494
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:41,980
arm again and I called him a he or the

495
00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:45,850
robot or whatever he is a soldier it

496
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,340
just settled me down it was just like he

497
00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:49,840
gave me another shot and I wasn't

498
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:52,030
worried about nothing and the bleeding

499
00:22:59,280 --> 00:22:54,370
just kind of stopped right away

500
00:23:02,160 --> 00:22:59,290
well she back up and I rolled my eyes to

501
00:23:05,070 --> 00:23:02,170
see and she kind of backed up out of the

502
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:05,080
way and he picked me up and he carried

503
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:06,600
me at the door

504
00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:09,250
deposited me back out on the river where

505
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:12,160
my harm stretched out facing toward that

506
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,410
ship that I was looking at before I came

507
00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:17,440
and then this is the first time that I

508
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:21,220
heard charlie and Charlie had jumped up

509
00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:24,370
off the ground cuz and said Talan Talan

510
00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:27,340
you okay son and I heard him it when we

511
00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:30,190
turned around and looked this thing just

512
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,780
picked up a little bit off the ground

513
00:23:36,530 --> 00:23:34,240
and it shot up into the hair like

514
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:36,540
lightning and disappeared

515
00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:41,770
so that well so did fear kicking at this

516
00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:44,500
point it's all tell me that you know it

517
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:48,190
did you know I got scared but I wasn't

518
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:49,960
totally out of my mind

519
00:23:54,930 --> 00:23:52,960
all I knew is something happened and I

520
00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:54,940
didn't know what happened and to be

521
00:23:58,410 --> 00:23:55,960
honest with you

522
00:24:04,650 --> 00:23:58,420
what I thought had happened angle

523
00:24:07,650 --> 00:24:04,660
shipyard was a probably three city

524
00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:07,660
blocks down from war we work and they

525
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:10,630
work on this military equipment and I

526
00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:12,610
was thinking to myself where they got

527
00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:15,670
all a bunch of this rednecks got out

528
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:17,860
playing with this and they pulled the

529
00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:20,170
joke of the century out and they off

530
00:24:25,139 --> 00:24:22,990
drinking beer now and we we left here in

531
00:24:28,169 --> 00:24:25,149
a bad situation

532
00:24:30,389 --> 00:24:28,179
I wanted to go ahead and slide up and

533
00:24:32,999 --> 00:24:30,399
get into the car but Charlie Charlie

534
00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:33,009
told me you know let's talk about this

535
00:24:36,389 --> 00:24:35,320
so yeah let's talk about it this didn't

536
00:24:38,580 --> 00:24:36,399
happen charlie

537
00:24:41,009 --> 00:24:38,590
I don't want nothing to do with it we

538
00:24:42,899 --> 00:24:41,019
didn't see this let's get up and go to

539
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,909
work in the morning well wait a minute

540
00:24:46,739 --> 00:24:45,039
let's talk about it some more so there's

541
00:24:49,139 --> 00:24:46,749
nothing to talk about it didn't happen

542
00:24:51,419 --> 00:24:49,149
did you tell him anything you want to

543
00:24:54,749 --> 00:24:51,429
tell anybody but this didn't happen to

544
00:24:58,769 --> 00:24:54,759
me well he agreed well we just won't

545
00:25:01,379 --> 00:24:58,779
tell nobody but going back to the car

546
00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:01,389
when we was headed to the car it took a

547
00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:03,580
few minutes to get there and I'm what

548
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:06,940
real worried in because I I was thinking

549
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:09,730
we're out of danger you know if it was

550
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:12,210
any danger and I'm pretty sure it was

551
00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:15,610
but uh and trying to figure out what

552
00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:18,460
happened it happened so fast you know we

553
00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:21,460
didn't have time to really get afraid

554
00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:23,590
and our adrenaline really didn't have

555
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:26,580
time to kick in to a little bit later on

556
00:25:31,859 --> 00:25:29,350
so we got back to the car the first

557
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,869
thing I noticed when I looked at my my

558
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:33,600
door on the driver side

559
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,830
Charlie was sitting on the passenger

560
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:37,360
side and he opened the door and I

561
00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:40,450
noticed two glasses on the passenger

562
00:25:45,749 --> 00:25:43,350
side of the car was shattered in place

563
00:25:47,639 --> 00:25:45,759
but when he opened the door you know

564
00:25:51,869 --> 00:25:47,649
they fell out and later on when I found

565
00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:51,879
out that all that was safety glass and

566
00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:54,190
they was designed just to shatter and

567
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:56,200
stay in place in case you got in a wreck

568
00:26:02,720 --> 00:25:58,570
you know the shrivels wouldn't go all

569
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:02,730
through you yeah so we got in the car I

570
00:26:09,570 --> 00:26:05,110
tried to crank the car they wouldn't

571
00:26:11,789 --> 00:26:09,580
crank for probably 15 minutes we tried

572
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:11,799
and all of a sudden you know it just

573
00:26:19,109 --> 00:26:17,350
cranked and we started backing out and

574
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:19,119
Charlie said well I'm we're gonna have

575
00:26:24,989 --> 00:26:22,570
to tell somebody so in the seventies

576
00:26:27,090 --> 00:26:24,999
there what no such thing is a cell phone

577
00:26:31,619 --> 00:26:27,100
I mean it probably was but we couldn't

578
00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:31,629
afford one if we'd had one and you know

579
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:34,600
it was no social media or anything and

580
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:37,240
they had blue laws in the state of

581
00:26:40,739 --> 00:26:38,559
Mississippi and

582
00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:40,749
after a certain time of Aden and the

583
00:26:48,419 --> 00:26:42,700
stores shutting they wasn't allowed to

584
00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:48,429
sell anything so well we backed out and

585
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:50,200
he said I'm gonna call somebody I'm

586
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:53,350
gonna call Keesler Air Force Base which

587
00:26:58,649 --> 00:26:56,830
is in Biloxi Mississippi and I said

588
00:27:00,539 --> 00:26:58,659
Charlie you don't need to do that let's

589
00:27:04,919 --> 00:27:00,549
go on home let's forget this ever

590
00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:04,929
happened because it's gonna be a mess I

591
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:08,200
mean law enforcement I know how they

592
00:27:13,109 --> 00:27:11,049
thought if you called somebody and law

593
00:27:15,570 --> 00:27:13,119
enforcement instead of innocent until

594
00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:15,580
proven guilty you're guilty till you

595
00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:17,860
prove yourself innocent and that's the

596
00:27:21,869 --> 00:27:20,200
way it is and it's not supposed to be

597
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:21,879
that way but that's just the way that

598
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:26,769
the law is here so we went to a park

599
00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:29,950
herb store grow to a curb store we

600
00:27:34,769 --> 00:27:32,860
pulled up and there was a phone payphone

601
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:34,779
outside and it took a diamond

602
00:27:39,739 --> 00:27:37,330
we found some dimes and Charlie got on

603
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:39,749
it and he called Keesler Air Force Base

604
00:27:44,489 --> 00:27:42,399
they said he said we don't fool with

605
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,499
nothing like that anymore we don't deal

606
00:27:50,009 --> 00:27:47,679
with the UFOs or anything no more you

607
00:27:51,869 --> 00:27:50,019
need to call the local authorities which

608
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:51,879
me the Jackson County Sheriff Department

609
00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:56,080
and he turned around he called the

610
00:28:03,600 --> 00:27:59,610
Jackson County Sheriff Department and

611
00:28:06,029 --> 00:28:03,610
he'd come I heard him talking I don't

612
00:28:07,739 --> 00:28:06,039
know exactly what was saying you know I

613
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:07,749
didn't find that out until a little bit

614
00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:12,700
later on but she said they'll be here in

615
00:28:16,769 --> 00:28:15,340
just a minute they told us to wait so it

616
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:16,779
was just a few minutes

617
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:20,470
oh I fed her five ten minutes at the

618
00:28:26,009 --> 00:28:23,289
most they showed up at the car and they

619
00:28:28,619 --> 00:28:26,019
got out and they looked inside the car

620
00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:28,629
and they asked me to step out and they

621
00:28:34,619 --> 00:28:31,830
give me uh field sobriety tests and

622
00:28:37,739 --> 00:28:34,629
that's to tell if I was drunk at her own

623
00:28:39,779 --> 00:28:37,749
dope or anything I guess so sobriety

624
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:39,789
test is to get you to walk along a

625
00:28:42,629 --> 00:28:41,710
straight line make sure that you've got

626
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:42,639
nothing to drink

627
00:28:48,299 --> 00:28:46,450
etc etc and did they ask you any

628
00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:48,309
questions or anything that during that

629
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:52,150
test they did ask if you were what

630
00:28:57,540 --> 00:28:55,390
I thought was stupid questions and they

631
00:28:59,310 --> 00:28:57,550
well the first one to ask but I've been

632
00:29:02,550 --> 00:28:59,320
drinking course if I had I would have

633
00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:02,560
said no anyway I said well I don't know

634
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:05,080
I ain't trying nothing then they said oh

635
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:08,710
I want you to stand on your right foot

636
00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:13,270
and pick up your left leg close your

637
00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:13,900
eyes

638
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:15,790
being your head back and touch your nose

639
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:26,250
not many of us can television not many

640
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:29,860
of us can I was dumb you know that stuff

641
00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:31,870
they give me one today they'd really

642
00:29:39,210 --> 00:29:36,280
think I was drinking plumages idea but

643
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,220
anyhow I did everything they asked us to

644
00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:41,440
do I walk the line I counted backwards

645
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:44,020
from a hundred two fifty then four fifty

646
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:46,450
to a hundred just little things like

647
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:51,820
that they said well ah I need you to all

648
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:54,850
follow us to the Shelf Department and I

649
00:29:59,490 --> 00:29:56,650
was thinking you know that's stupider

650
00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:59,500
they thought I was drinking but it

651
00:30:04,790 --> 00:30:01,320
wouldn't want me to follow him in a car

652
00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:04,800
but we did we followed them up and then

653
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:07,660
when we got there they kind of separated

654
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:10,030
charlie they took him into a room and me

655
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:12,850
into a room and they started asking a

656
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:14,770
lot of questions they asked me they said

657
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:17,890
well what happened I said I don't know

658
00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:20,490
all I know was y'all just pulled up here

659
00:30:27,630 --> 00:30:23,020
started to make me jump up and down on

660
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:27,640
one foot and he said no what happened he

661
00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:29,170
said the other guy said something

662
00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:32,200
happened don't what happened so I didn't

663
00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:33,940
getting a whole lot of detail with

664
00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:36,550
imagine I said I don't know well in the

665
00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:38,590
meantime they asked Charlie wanted to

666
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,860
happen there but he he wouldn't have

667
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:43,840
been a good spy because he just built

668
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:47,520
his guts on everything actually and they

669
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:50,440
listened to the stories then they took

670
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:53,640
us both and put us into a room together

671
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:56,470
but what we didn't know when they put us

672
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:58,570
into this room and where I slipped up

673
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:01,480
and let him know that I was in on all

674
00:31:05,789 --> 00:31:04,270
this - they had a tape recorder in her

675
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:05,799
drawer and

676
00:31:10,019 --> 00:31:07,450
was going to listen to Charlie and I

677
00:31:11,609 --> 00:31:10,029
talked between herself and that's where

678
00:31:14,609 --> 00:31:11,619
the secret take from the shelf

679
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:14,619
department come about and it showed by

680
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,190
this time I had settled down and I was

681
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:20,320
pretty worried about things then because

682
00:31:26,249 --> 00:31:23,340
you know I've done graduated from

683
00:31:27,299 --> 00:31:26,259
getting abducted to trespassing on

684
00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:27,309
private property

685
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:29,860
taking a sobriety test and see if I was

686
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:31,929
drinking and setting up at the chef's

687
00:31:37,289 --> 00:31:34,450
department being interrogated and one of

688
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:37,299
them told me if all this was a hoax and

689
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:39,190
you're going to jail for a long time and

690
00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:41,710
and I just completely said well watch

691
00:31:49,009 --> 00:31:45,100
the damn hoax anyway I didn't know so

692
00:31:51,869 --> 00:31:49,019
well it when we was in the room together

693
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:51,879
and Charlie and I was talking well we

694
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:54,129
did talk about a little bit about what

695
00:32:00,930 --> 00:31:56,769
happened that day and he expressed the

696
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,940
fears and I expressed my fears also on

697
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:03,519
the tapes and you know some of it was a

698
00:32:09,239 --> 00:32:07,690
pretty graphic you know and I never

699
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:09,249
would have figured Charlie would have

700
00:32:13,499 --> 00:32:11,710
been afraid of anything because you know

701
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:13,509
I always kind of looked up to him and I

702
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:17,049
was coming up as a child and I didn't

703
00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:18,850
figure he was the type of man that would

704
00:32:23,869 --> 00:32:20,679
be scared of anything but Charlie had

705
00:32:26,909 --> 00:32:23,879
fear on him that night now I had them

706
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:26,919
more fear than anybody could possibly

707
00:32:33,989 --> 00:32:30,600
have so they listened to the tape and

708
00:32:37,259 --> 00:32:33,999
the head Sheriff Fred Diamond came in

709
00:32:39,139 --> 00:32:37,269
and he told us well y'all go on home and

710
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:39,149
I'll see y'all tomorrow

711
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:42,129
so we did we took him at his word we

712
00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:46,450
left and went home and got their course

713
00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:48,460
Blanche was in there and I she had

714
00:32:53,849 --> 00:32:50,019
something cooked to eat and that

715
00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:53,859
Blanche's Charlie's wife and she asked

716
00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:56,200
us come sit down I just told them I

717
00:33:01,649 --> 00:32:58,600
wasn't hungry on the way home I

718
00:33:03,810 --> 00:33:01,659
expressed it Charlie you know maybe we

719
00:33:07,259 --> 00:33:03,820
ought to go get checked out we could be

720
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:07,269
contaminated with radiation or we might

721
00:33:13,769 --> 00:33:10,289
have some kind of airborne disease and

722
00:33:16,049 --> 00:33:13,779
it just started settling in in my mind

723
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:16,059
you know something out all Denari

724
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:19,100
happened and we was exposed and it was a

725
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:22,760
blood everywhere and I knew that all you

726
00:33:28,299 --> 00:33:24,910
could get a disease through blood and

727
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,309
radiation I was worried about because my

728
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:30,320
father worked for the Atomic Energy

729
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:32,270
Commission he always had to wear a

730
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:35,720
little badge when he worked with these

731
00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:39,110
radiation things on it levels so that's

732
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:40,820
one thing that kind of bothered me was

733
00:33:47,409 --> 00:33:44,720
maybe we're gonna expose everybody in

734
00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:47,419
the world to some kind of bad disease or

735
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:50,630
maybe some kind of radiation it must

736
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,750
have been it must have been so hard just

737
00:34:00,760 --> 00:33:56,240
after what you just experienced and you

738
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,770
know the the exposure to possible

739
00:34:04,899 --> 00:34:03,200
radiation the experience you've just

740
00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:04,909
gone through being taken to the police

741
00:34:09,849 --> 00:34:07,190
it must have been so hard Calvin's go

742
00:34:13,810 --> 00:34:09,859
back home and carry on is absolutely

743
00:34:16,419 --> 00:34:13,820
nothing had happened you know that part

744
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:16,429
would be the easy part to me the hard

745
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:19,129
part come dealing with the press and the

746
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:22,730
people the the next day when we got up

747
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:25,010
to go to work is when it got hard on me

748
00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:28,129
know that night when we got home I took

749
00:34:34,659 --> 00:34:30,919
all my clothes off I put them in a bag

750
00:34:37,899 --> 00:34:34,669
shoes everything I went into the shower

751
00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:37,909
and I poured a gallon of bleach they was

752
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:39,950
a gallon of bleach it was sitting there

753
00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:42,050
in the bathroom and I just took imported

754
00:34:46,540 --> 00:34:44,540
over my head and rubbed it in and washed

755
00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:46,550
it off with water and that's how scared

756
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:49,940
I was in that bleach I know it just had

757
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:54,830
to eat you alive but um that I was

758
00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:56,570
worried about it then the next morning

759
00:35:02,290 --> 00:34:58,730
you know I throw my clothes off in a

760
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:02,300
dump someone walked out the door and I

761
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:04,760
made a mistake if I had known what

762
00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:06,410
happened I should have kept everything

763
00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:09,980
it may be later on years later they

764
00:35:15,099 --> 00:35:13,580
could have took DNA you know compared it

765
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:15,109
to something because it was blood on

766
00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:19,550
everything mm-hmm now we got up the next

767
00:35:26,020 --> 00:35:23,180
morning went to work got to the shipyard

768
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,030
and I noticed it was all a lot of cars

769
00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:28,640
there but see this was just my second

770
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:31,460
day on the job so I didn't know how many

771
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:32,850
cars

772
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:34,980
supposed to be there but I knowed it was

773
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:38,310
a lot well when we rest in and went into

774
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,220
our workstations it wasn't just a few

775
00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:42,960
minutes they told us to come to the

776
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:49,320
office and I remember get getting out

777
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:53,010
while I was going to the office up there

778
00:35:59,090 --> 00:35:56,370
and what made me remember this one of my

779
00:36:02,450 --> 00:35:59,100
neighbors was one of the head people at

780
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:02,460
the shipyard and I just met him figured

781
00:36:05,650 --> 00:36:04,440
out who he was down here and he figured

782
00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:05,660
out who I was

783
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:08,790
whoa while the we was writing a book

784
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:10,770
while Philip and I was doing the book

785
00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:13,260
and he said oh he said what she'd been

786
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:16,620
doing I said well you know believe it or

787
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:18,450
not I'm writing the book he said what

788
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,180
you writing a book on and I explained he

789
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:23,760
said Oh Calvin he said I know who you

790
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:25,500
are now he said I've been trying to

791
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:28,800
figure out who I knew you from but he

792
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:30,810
said that day I remember when they

793
00:36:34,580 --> 00:36:32,790
called you into that office you was on

794
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,590
your hands and knees out in the parking

795
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:37,440
lot throwing up so yeah you're right I

796
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:41,250
was now that's how sick I was getting by

797
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:43,530
then because it was at all thickening in

798
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:46,800
men so we made our way to the office and

799
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,070
they told us look we cannot conduct

800
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:54,000
business because of the press calling

801
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:56,310
office what happened to you guys

802
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:58,770
I thought no who in the world told him

803
00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:02,640
that anything happened they said we need

804
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,270
to know because we we're going to shut

805
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,160
our office down you can't even get a

806
00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:10,950
word in on the phone we can't let y'all

807
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:12,840
go out on the field because the man's

808
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:14,970
gonna want to talk to y'all when they

809
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:16,410
find out what's going on

810
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:18,630
we can't conduct business with you to

811
00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:22,200
here we're calling them Tony which is

812
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:25,230
their shipyard attorney his name was

813
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:27,960
Joel come Ingo and we're going to let

814
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,890
him do a press release so we can get rid

815
00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:34,200
of this media here we'll let him handle

816
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:39,300
the media so Joe come in and talk to us

817
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:42,690
and he knew what was going on and I

818
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:44,790
could figure out my mind who might have

819
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:46,230
told the media about

820
00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:48,180
because I didn't think Charlie did and I

821
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:54,630
loved earn well I didn't so well anyhow

822
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,820
and we told the attorney what was

823
00:38:02,980 --> 00:37:59,280
happening and he put together a press

824
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:02,990
release and I told him my concerns about

825
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:06,240
being exposed to evil radiation or

826
00:38:11,330 --> 00:38:08,280
needed a physical to make sure we didn't

827
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:11,340
carry no germs and that got his

828
00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:13,140
attention because I noticed he kind of

829
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:14,790
backed up and stayed away from us a

830
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:18,660
little bit him I just want to speak you

831
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:19,380
to himself

832
00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:20,320
yeah

833
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:22,859
[Laughter]

834
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:25,380
he backed up kind of stayed away he did

835
00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:27,660
a press release well about that time the

836
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:30,390
Sheriff's Department showed up and the

837
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:32,730
detective that interviewed us that night

838
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:37,530
I heard him in there talking and they

839
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:40,290
they set up a deal to go to all the

840
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:44,040
singing River Hospital in Pascagoula to

841
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,400
get us checked out so that's the first

842
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:49,619
thing they did they took us to after

843
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:52,140
they give their little press release no

844
00:38:59,300 --> 00:38:57,359
attorney and the deputy and somebody

845
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,310
else loaded up in the car with us they

846
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:01,280
took us to the singing River Hospital

847
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:04,619
they give us a good thorough examination

848
00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:06,810
they checked the harm and they said it

849
00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:13,260
was punch of March Madness online and

850
00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:18,270
then all they did blood work and I'd

851
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:20,670
give anything if we could get a hold of

852
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:24,330
the information they had in but see all

853
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:27,480
that got destroyed in 2005 and Hurricane

854
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:28,170
Katrina

855
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:30,510
everything got underwater then here I

856
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:33,930
had 20 foot of water up on the roads you

857
00:39:40,210 --> 00:39:37,560
know so one day we got through there and

858
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:40,220
they released just said we'll be fine

859
00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:43,020
they made arrangements to take us to

860
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:46,470
kishore Air Force Base to all get

861
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:50,220
checked for radiation so we the

862
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:52,380
detective drove us to kiss her and the

863
00:39:57,830 --> 00:39:55,890
attorney was with us and when we got to

864
00:39:59,900 --> 00:39:57,840
the gate they flagged this onei and we

865
00:40:02,450 --> 00:39:59,910
didn't even stop it to gate it there

866
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:02,460
for space and they sent us to the back

867
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:05,430
they had a history as quarters back and

868
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:07,770
they were several guys standing there

869
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:11,010
with a hazmat suits on and then it was

870
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:12,750
Socony and then you know this is

871
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:14,220
starting to get a little scary

872
00:40:20,299 --> 00:40:17,250
so they separated this took us one at a

873
00:40:22,789 --> 00:40:20,309
time is separated us they checked us for

874
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:22,799
radiation and then all of a sudden you

875
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:24,690
know they hollered it was all clear

876
00:40:31,339 --> 00:40:28,619
well I asked them mom if they found any

877
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:31,349
they said no not really nothing above

878
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:35,280
normal and I think a human body cares a

879
00:40:41,299 --> 00:40:38,030
little above normal anyway some time

880
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:41,309
yeah so they said no they want to see

881
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:45,390
y'all inside I said who wants to see us

882
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:49,260
he said the we just got some people

883
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:50,430
wants to see you inside

884
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,910
so they escorted us down a long hall and

885
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:56,160
it it wasn't really that far but it

886
00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:57,930
didn't seem like we was ever gonna get

887
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:01,079
there they set us down into a conference

888
00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:04,410
room and it was military brass local

889
00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:07,619
authorities we had like the mayors and

890
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:09,750
local sheriff department and different

891
00:41:14,539 --> 00:41:12,599
authorities in all town of military yo

892
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:14,549
brass it was in there pretty high

893
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,319
ranking I guess and they set us down and

894
00:41:24,019 --> 00:41:21,000
it wouldn't be what I would call him

895
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:24,029
interrogation but if they asked us each

896
00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:28,380
to tell our story at a different time

897
00:41:34,849 --> 00:41:31,950
and we did and they was extremely nice I

898
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:34,859
mean you couldn't ask for a nice a bunch

899
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:37,980
of people and but they was pretty

900
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:39,960
serious you could look at the face and

901
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:43,049
tell how serious they were and then they

902
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:46,650
told us that we could go so they we

903
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:49,170
walked back out got into the car went

904
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:52,140
back to the shipyard and when we got

905
00:41:59,140 --> 00:41:54,470
back to the shipyard they told us look

906
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,150
y'all have some people flying down from

907
00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:01,680
California or somewhere that wants to

908
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,670
talk to you tomorrow and see but little

909
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:08,160
did I know who well well I didn't I

910
00:42:10,549 --> 00:42:09,990
wouldn't have known who it was they told

911
00:42:13,799 --> 00:42:10,559
me then

912
00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:13,809
but it was dr. Jack our dr. Hynek

913
00:42:18,809 --> 00:42:15,880
Kanaka harder from the University of

914
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:18,819
California and they had actually flew

915
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:22,089
down on their own dime I mean nobody

916
00:42:26,849 --> 00:42:24,249
paid them to come they come down here on

917
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:26,859
their own time well during the time we

918
00:42:31,890 --> 00:42:29,529
was doing or we was waiting to see them

919
00:42:35,849 --> 00:42:31,900
well I think they went out to the side

920
00:42:38,459 --> 00:42:35,859
to look around and to talk to different

921
00:42:41,069 --> 00:42:38,469
people and witnesses and it was the next

922
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,079
morning when we got to see them they

923
00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:44,319
brought us in dr. Hynek asking us what

924
00:42:48,989 --> 00:42:46,420
was going on well he was talking to me

925
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:48,999
while he was hypnotizing charlie and

926
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:51,670
Charlie had agreed to be hypnotized and

927
00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:55,150
I did also except for when dr. harder

928
00:42:59,640 --> 00:42:57,759
started hypnotizing me he didn't figure

929
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,650
I could handle it so he just kind of

930
00:43:05,209 --> 00:43:02,319
eased me back out of it and I went back

931
00:43:08,999 --> 00:43:05,219
in and finished talking to him and honey

932
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:09,009
together and they were extremely nice

933
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:11,049
but really thorough about what they did

934
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:13,630
and I noticed they was taking a lot of

935
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:14,319
notes

936
00:43:20,419 --> 00:43:16,329
which I'd give anything to have his

937
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:20,429
notes right now and though he did a

938
00:43:27,959 --> 00:43:24,640
press release to the press and from what

939
00:43:30,359 --> 00:43:27,969
I understand he said and I didn't know

940
00:43:33,509 --> 00:43:30,369
this up until just here lately you know

941
00:43:36,269 --> 00:43:33,519
that all he figured that something

942
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:36,279
really happened it was traumatic to us

943
00:43:42,809 --> 00:43:39,670
but he didn't know what and I do know

944
00:43:44,099 --> 00:43:42,819
that he told us told all the sheriff

945
00:43:47,309 --> 00:43:44,109
right there in front of us and that

946
00:43:49,499 --> 00:43:47,319
attorney if they were acting they should

947
00:43:53,819 --> 00:43:49,509
be in Hollywood because nobody could act

948
00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:53,829
out something this good so that's kind

949
00:43:58,169 --> 00:43:56,019
of where they left that and then just

950
00:44:00,749 --> 00:43:58,179
shortly after that I got my butt in the

951
00:44:04,589 --> 00:44:00,759
car and went back home to Laurel

952
00:44:06,539 --> 00:44:04,599
Mississippi and that's where all you

953
00:44:08,939 --> 00:44:06,549
know I started having other problems

954
00:44:11,969 --> 00:44:08,949
there that's when reality really hit me

955
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:11,979
when I got home because before I didn't

956
00:44:16,739 --> 00:44:13,630
have time to think about it worried

957
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:16,749
about it I got home and I was at the

958
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:18,609
house it's just me and my brother there

959
00:44:24,989 --> 00:44:22,420
one night and it just everything just

960
00:44:27,299 --> 00:44:24,999
come over me at one time that's when

961
00:44:29,399 --> 00:44:27,309
they said I had a nervous breakdown but

962
00:44:31,979 --> 00:44:29,409
I don't believe it was a breakdown I

963
00:44:34,919 --> 00:44:31,989
think the world just caught up with me

964
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:34,929
by the end cuz I ain't never seen so

965
00:44:42,329 --> 00:44:38,169
many reporters in my whole life and they

966
00:44:44,549 --> 00:44:42,339
still tracking me down so calvini I mean

967
00:44:46,649 --> 00:44:44,559
now the you know Charlie said anything

968
00:44:49,169 --> 00:44:46,659
to the media so who do you think it was

969
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,179
that let the story out I mean there was

970
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:50,400
only you

971
00:44:55,949 --> 00:44:54,609
really Calvin charleon and the police so

972
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:55,959
do you think it was somebody from the

973
00:45:00,509 --> 00:44:57,880
police department and let the story out

974
00:45:03,329 --> 00:45:00,519
well I tell you what I really think

975
00:45:06,179 --> 00:45:03,339
happened you know back in those days you

976
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,189
didn't have social media or anything but

977
00:45:10,259 --> 00:45:08,079
everybody had a scanner where they

978
00:45:13,169 --> 00:45:10,269
scanned the police department and the

979
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:13,179
fire department just be a nosy dissent

980
00:45:17,069 --> 00:45:15,369
hey whoa what's going on and I think

981
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,079
somebody might have heard it over the

982
00:45:22,109 --> 00:45:20,319
stander and the Mississippi press

983
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:22,119
building was right there by the police

984
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:23,890
department and they probably heard it on

985
00:45:27,929 --> 00:45:26,169
the scanner and when they did they

986
00:45:32,009 --> 00:45:27,939
probably went over a question question

987
00:45:34,169 --> 00:45:32,019
the sheriff and he probably y'all the

988
00:45:37,019 --> 00:45:34,179
table well you know he had to tell him

989
00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:37,029
something so he probably is the one that

990
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:41,380
did it right not thanking so so going

991
00:45:45,929 --> 00:45:43,630
back for those that are not aware at all

992
00:45:47,789 --> 00:45:45,939
but for those who've never heard of the

993
00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:47,799
case before the creatures that you

994
00:45:53,579 --> 00:45:50,619
encountered you know what did it look

995
00:45:55,709 --> 00:45:53,589
like Calvin I mean he was it you know

996
00:45:59,489 --> 00:45:55,719
what a description of what these things

997
00:46:02,249 --> 00:45:59,499
really look like well you were you would

998
00:46:04,979 --> 00:46:02,259
up close and personal with them then

999
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,989
yeah there was two different types and

1000
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:07,359
it was two looked different looking ones

1001
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:10,089
and now the one that came out the one

1002
00:46:16,229 --> 00:46:12,729
that I called the soldier they had a

1003
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:16,239
grayish looking skin and probably five

1004
00:46:22,769 --> 00:46:19,689
foot tall no neck now Charlie said he's

1005
00:46:24,509 --> 00:46:22,779
seen no little antennas or something

1006
00:46:27,029 --> 00:46:24,519
sticking out of them I didn't see all

1007
00:46:30,089 --> 00:46:27,039
that it was more or less like a blur to

1008
00:46:32,399 --> 00:46:30,099
me when I seen the facial features now I

1009
00:46:34,589 --> 00:46:32,409
did notice her hands cuz that when that

1010
00:46:36,749 --> 00:46:34,599
big hand reached and grabbed me it

1011
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:36,759
looked like to pinch her off a crab down

1012
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:39,640
here and why even come to that decision

1013
00:46:43,260 --> 00:46:40,630
I had just

1014
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:43,270
on a crab and looked at their pincers in

1015
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:45,730
a head like mitten hands and I just

1016
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:48,310
described it as a painter like a crab to

1017
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:53,590
the law oh they had pretty long arms the

1018
00:46:59,250 --> 00:46:56,650
legs now I couldn't see the other ones

1019
00:47:01,740 --> 00:46:59,260
legs but this creature that come toward

1020
00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:01,750
us so the guy that come toward us their

1021
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,750
legs was all together like they was made

1022
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:06,880
together but you could still see that

1023
00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:08,470
they might have had legs and might have

1024
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:10,120
been standing there's something to float

1025
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:13,960
them and the movement was just

1026
00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:17,230
mechanical wise on this one I mean again

1027
00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:19,270
this thing scruffed you that you that

1028
00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:20,560
you would take no more what did that

1029
00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:22,870
look like you know what describe that

1030
00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:26,680
for us it was all I'm gonna say eighty

1031
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:30,340
to a hundred foot long just estimate now

1032
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:34,410
this is no definite measurements and

1033
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:37,590
probably about eight 10 foot high

1034
00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:41,290
it looked oblong kind of like a football

1035
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:44,320
not like oh anybody would think a flying

1036
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:46,570
saucer would look but it kind of look

1037
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:50,320
like a football with two portholes on

1038
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:54,930
the left side of me and I was facing it

1039
00:48:00,540 --> 00:47:58,330
so you know it was nothing like you've

1040
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:00,550
never seen before now the inside it's

1041
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:03,370
just all kind of plain and I didn't get

1042
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:06,880
a chance to all the doors had to slide

1043
00:48:11,420 --> 00:48:09,130
because they wasn't hinged and didn't

1044
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:11,430
come in so I know the doors had to slide

1045
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:16,170
there and then the examination room I

1046
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:18,820
really can't say much about it I don't

1047
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:20,170
even know if there's an examination

1048
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:24,430
table in there so did you hear any any

1049
00:48:33,810 --> 00:48:27,610
noise smells or anything like that

1050
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:33,820
I didn't smell any smells oh well the

1051
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:35,830
smell that I smelt was normal

1052
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:39,010
down in though on the coast you got that

1053
00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:42,250
fishy kind of smell that you smell all

1054
00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:45,100
the time and you know so it's not a real

1055
00:48:54,060 --> 00:48:47,560
clean smell and you know it might have

1056
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:54,070
disguised anything else but uh as far as

1057
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,390
an

1058
00:48:58,530 --> 00:48:57,520
the only noise that I heard was when we

1059
00:49:01,680 --> 00:48:58,540
was inside

1060
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:01,690
I heard that clicking noise that came

1061
00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:03,910
down out of the deck of cards I

1062
00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:06,940
described mm-hmm and then I heard this

1063
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:10,300
female creature kind of mumbled down low

1064
00:49:16,530 --> 00:49:13,270
into her voice a little bit and that's

1065
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:16,540
when she summons no big ugly when to

1066
00:49:22,170 --> 00:49:20,290
come in there so you know with a few

1067
00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:22,180
weeks after the event now you went back

1068
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:23,620
home and you ended up in the hospital

1069
00:49:35,130 --> 00:49:30,420
didn't you I did and what had happened I

1070
00:49:37,830 --> 00:49:35,140
was all I went to bed and then I just

1071
00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:37,840
broke out into a cold sweat shaking and

1072
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:40,870
everything else and my brother come in

1073
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:43,570
and he got concerned and I really wasn't

1074
00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:45,750
going to the emergency room but they

1075
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,030
kind of made me go he made me go and you

1076
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:51,280
know I I love my brother a lot about

1077
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,280
anything he said you know I would go

1078
00:50:00,930 --> 00:49:56,800
along with cuz he was more or less the

1079
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:00,940
brains of us so what happened when that

1080
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:02,290
when he said when you went to the hook

1081
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:04,060
the emergency room what what happened

1082
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,710
there well we went in no I was in the

1083
00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:11,280
car and he made him come out and get me

1084
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:13,720
they put me in a wheelchair and they

1085
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:17,260
took me in there and then done a little

1086
00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:18,790
bit of paperwork and they just put me

1087
00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:21,220
over in the corner and I was getting

1088
00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:25,600
worse and worse and it when I only

1089
00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:27,550
seemed like I said I was in there I

1090
00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:29,020
don't couldn't be in the house but it

1091
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:32,200
was a long time I was in there and he

1092
00:50:37,740 --> 00:50:34,450
walked up and asked him what is I don't

1093
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:37,750
see me and it they told him just when

1094
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:40,900
they get to me and I got to looking

1095
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,330
around in there they want nobody much in

1096
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:45,520
there and you know maybe somebody had a

1097
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:48,190
cold or something but I believed I was

1098
00:50:55,290 --> 00:50:50,590
in pretty bad shape myself so I asked my

1099
00:50:57,420 --> 00:50:55,300
brother I said look bud why don't you go

1100
00:51:00,000 --> 00:50:57,430
to the car get my jacket just stay out

1101
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:00,010
for a while or go on home and I'll call

1102
00:51:04,110 --> 00:51:02,050
you when we get through or something

1103
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:04,120
well he wouldn't leave my side so I

1104
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:06,250
finally got him to go out back out to

1105
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:07,520
the car to get something

1106
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:11,450
for me and when he did I jumped up and

1107
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:14,330
tell him to cheer up against the thing

1108
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:16,670
and it was on me and I made security

1109
00:51:21,130 --> 00:51:18,590
coming down and tackled me and all that

1110
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:21,140
but when they did the good thing about

1111
00:51:27,310 --> 00:51:24,710
it there was also a our doctor to come

1112
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:27,320
in and he's saying what was going on

1113
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:30,110
well they popped a needle in me and you

1114
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:32,510
know I kind of calmed down and he

1115
00:51:38,110 --> 00:51:34,520
started asking the questions and he ate

1116
00:51:41,650 --> 00:51:38,120
a mouth for not paying attention to me

1117
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:41,660
then said that this said anytime anybody

1118
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:44,450
and this kind of shake came in here he

1119
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:48,770
wanted them front front row right in so

1120
00:51:52,690 --> 00:51:50,690
it was pretty dramatic and he tried to

1121
00:51:56,050 --> 00:51:52,700
get me to stay but I wouldn't stay I

1122
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:56,060
went on home but he did give me a shot

1123
00:52:01,450 --> 00:51:57,800
and suppose to calm me down for the

1124
00:52:05,110 --> 00:52:01,460
night all right well you know after the

1125
00:52:10,270 --> 00:52:05,120
event who did dr. harder examine you

1126
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:10,280
give you a physical hadeya and reason I

1127
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:14,330
asked this because the people listening

1128
00:52:19,810 --> 00:52:16,010
will know that Chris is the editor of

1129
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:19,820
outer limits magazine and one of the

1130
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:22,490
things I tried to do after the book was

1131
00:52:30,070 --> 00:52:27,890
published was track down documentation

1132
00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:30,080
relating to the event Calvin you know

1133
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:32,780
we've not really been that successful as

1134
00:52:36,990 --> 00:52:34,370
you pointed it now a lot of it was

1135
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:37,000
washed away in in Hurricane Katrina

1136
00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:40,310
however and I did send you a copy of

1137
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:41,360
this and what we're going to do we're

1138
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:43,370
going to make this available as an

1139
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:46,070
exclusive to Outer Limits magazine next

1140
00:52:52,050 --> 00:52:49,610
year is we found a letter in the

1141
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:52,060
archives of the Center for UFO studies

1142
00:52:59,980 --> 00:52:55,070
which was founded of course by Allen

1143
00:53:02,980 --> 00:52:59,990
Hynek and it talks of you and Charlie

1144
00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:02,990
having a physical examination this is in

1145
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:05,960
the first person so whoever's doing the

1146
00:53:10,810 --> 00:53:08,480
examination is writing this letter and

1147
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,820
he confirms in the letter that both you

1148
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:13,040
and Charlie did indeed have puncture

1149
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:16,670
wounds oh and we did and I remember them

1150
00:53:21,490 --> 00:53:19,910
specially looking at them matter of fact

1151
00:53:23,590 --> 00:53:21,500
on my own

1152
00:53:25,570 --> 00:53:23,600
my arm I can't speak for Charlie because

1153
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:25,580
they've had a separated you know one was

1154
00:53:31,810 --> 00:53:29,330
going in there and seen him but he got

1155
00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:31,820
something the size of a q-tip and run

1156
00:53:37,390 --> 00:53:35,390
down in into that puncher wound and then

1157
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:37,400
when they got through they put alcohol

1158
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:40,730
to bandage and all over and matter of

1159
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:43,280
fact even today you can kind of see a

1160
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:45,890
little puncher wound there you know a

1161
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:49,250
star so like I said we're going to make

1162
00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:52,730
that available later next year in in

1163
00:53:58,510 --> 00:53:54,740
Outer Limits magazine because you were

1164
00:54:01,450 --> 00:53:58,520
still on the track of documentation we

1165
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:01,460
know for example notes were taken

1166
00:54:07,060 --> 00:54:04,520
recordings were made what was one of the

1167
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:07,070
things was curious Calvin if you go back

1168
00:54:13,810 --> 00:54:09,050
to when you went to Keesler Air Force

1169
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:13,820
Base now I contacted the United States

1170
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:18,050
Air Force and and asked under the

1171
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:19,760
Freedom of Information Act for any more

1172
00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:20,480
information

1173
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:24,950
they said they had none Robert Todd an

1174
00:54:29,650 --> 00:54:27,740
investigator back in the 90s had done

1175
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:29,660
the same thing and he got the same reply

1176
00:54:36,430 --> 00:54:32,020
said they have didn't have anything and

1177
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,440
we published Roberts letters in your

1178
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:39,200
book but one of the things that I'm

1179
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:41,950
curious about is that in fact we have a

1180
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:45,200
transcript of you and Charlie being

1181
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:47,720
interviewed at Keesler Air Force Base

1182
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:49,970
that day this has come from the Air

1183
00:54:55,930 --> 00:54:51,890
Force and it lists at the top of it

1184
00:54:58,270 --> 00:54:55,940
everyone that was present there so how

1185
00:55:00,940 --> 00:54:58,280
did they make the transcript if they

1186
00:55:03,370 --> 00:55:00,950
didn't record it in some manner or have

1187
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:03,380
someone taking notes at the time so they

1188
00:55:08,890 --> 00:55:06,410
must have had something there even if it

1189
00:55:10,270 --> 00:55:08,900
was just notes did you see anybody when

1190
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:10,280
you were at Keesler do you see anybody

1191
00:55:14,590 --> 00:55:12,110
do you see a stenographer or anything

1192
00:55:19,060 --> 00:55:14,600
like that Kelvin they did have like a

1193
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:19,070
court stenographer in there and she was

1194
00:55:25,090 --> 00:55:22,880
it was a her and I noticed she had bars

1195
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,100
so she had to be like a lieutenant or

1196
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:27,440
some taking notes on one of them little

1197
00:55:32,380 --> 00:55:29,810
machines it's not a typewriter but one

1198
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:32,390
of the little machines that she using

1199
00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:35,010
court to dictate

1200
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:37,470
and I think only they can probably read

1201
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:40,560
them yeah absolutely so I assume that's

1202
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:42,810
where the where the transcript has come

1203
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:46,890
from but we're still on the hunt for for

1204
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:49,770
documentation and um you know maybe one

1205
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:51,990
day we'll strike lucky and find it

1206
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:55,500
because we know that this was dr.

1207
00:56:03,069 --> 00:55:58,140
hynek's something no longer with us his

1208
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,079
favorite case and that certainly Charlie

1209
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:05,760
had his home telephone number because

1210
00:56:12,829 --> 00:56:09,480
one of the things I did was was contact

1211
00:56:15,230 --> 00:56:12,839
hynix two sons one of them told me I

1212
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,240
think he was about 10 or 11 years of age

1213
00:56:19,220 --> 00:56:17,099
at the time and he remembers answering

1214
00:56:21,020 --> 00:56:19,230
the telephone and it was Charlie Hicks

1215
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:21,030
and then he went and told his dad did

1216
00:56:25,609 --> 00:56:22,230
you know Charlie Hickson's on the

1217
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:25,619
telephone for you so you know it was

1218
00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:30,119
Hynix favorite case so you know what

1219
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:32,280
happened after all this Calvi knew you

1220
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:34,770
know this has happened you you've been

1221
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:36,510
ill you've been at hospital or just a

1222
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:40,020
few weeks afterwards what happened from

1223
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:41,730
there what you know how would it affect

1224
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:43,980
you family I mean you would engage it to

1225
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:45,630
be married at the time I believe you

1226
00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:49,740
know so where do you go from there well

1227
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:53,880
I went back home and with intentions of

1228
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:57,300
you know actually to be honest with you

1229
00:57:02,210 --> 00:56:59,640
I knew there was an article to come out

1230
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:02,220
in the paper but not everybody in my

1231
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:05,760
family and her family actually got a

1232
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,079
newspaper or watch TV that much because

1233
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:12,480
everybody works so I figure they've just

1234
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:15,599
died down you know five minutes of glory

1235
00:57:20,359 --> 00:57:17,970
and that's the end of it so I wasn't

1236
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:20,369
gonna say nothing I had no intentions of

1237
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:22,710
telling anybody and I didn't tell nobody

1238
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:26,040
nothing I never set down my family and

1239
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:28,890
explained to him I never sat down my

1240
00:57:34,099 --> 00:57:31,260
friends I never told her family about it

1241
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,109
although they all knew about it and they

1242
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:36,780
wouldn't ask me about it and the reason

1243
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,310
I knew they knew Bacall so when I was

1244
00:57:50,090 --> 00:57:42,960
still in passed for Google of the night

1245
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:55,500
they are my mother and my brother had

1246
00:57:59,760 --> 00:57:57,460
come down and got a motel room and I

1247
00:58:02,940 --> 00:57:59,770
went over spent the night for them and

1248
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:02,950
believe it or not they was crying she

1249
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:05,830
was crying when I walked in he was - he

1250
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:06,610
was scared

1251
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,370
and I never talked to them about it that

1252
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:12,400
night I just told them look you know I'm

1253
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:15,010
got something I have to do today I'm

1254
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:17,410
gonna work over here today can I be home

1255
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:21,040
tonight not talk to y'all and they just

1256
00:58:26,790 --> 00:58:24,910
pacified him so they left and went on

1257
00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:26,800
back home and I went and seen that's

1258
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:28,630
when I had the meeting with dr. Hynek

1259
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:31,570
and dr. harder the next day and after

1260
00:58:37,890 --> 00:58:34,810
that I left and went back home but uh

1261
00:58:41,550 --> 00:58:37,900
when I got home I didn't talk about it

1262
00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:41,560
to nobody I didn't want to talk because

1263
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:43,660
I was engaged to get married this was

1264
00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:46,930
October and November tonight it's when I

1265
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:49,990
got married and I said well you know her

1266
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:53,410
dad's a hard case and I really have to

1267
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:56,890
well she was underage I mean as far as

1268
00:59:02,370 --> 00:58:59,440
men can speak for herself to get married

1269
00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:02,380
they would have to sign for 16 years old

1270
00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:05,350
and I figured that was all off if he had

1271
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:07,150
found out about it he'd figure made it

1272
00:59:13,950 --> 00:59:11,230
be a nut case and did you explain to

1273
00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:13,960
your fiance who became your wife Wayne

1274
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:16,270
that did you tell anything about it not

1275
00:59:20,220 --> 00:59:17,160
a word

1276
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:20,230
the only time we talked about it when

1277
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:23,890
you and I you know she we she started

1278
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:25,810
discussing writing a book and we had

1279
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:27,670
talked to you and we had actually

1280
00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:31,660
started on the book and you know there

1281
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:33,550
was pieces that she would come in there

1282
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:36,160
and I'd let her read and then she'd ask

1283
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,710
me a few questions about it but that's

1284
00:59:43,230 --> 00:59:40,480
the only time we ever talked about it

1285
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:43,240
then I finally since then you know of

1286
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:45,610
course it's real popular here she hears

1287
00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:48,610
me in on this skype and the radio and

1288
00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:50,860
stuff like that and she listened to part

1289
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:53,500
of the story but this year going back to

1290
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:56,460
her room and won't listen to no more and

1291
01:00:01,780 --> 00:59:59,680
it came out on audio and we did listen

1292
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,790
to it on audio because I wanted to hear

1293
01:00:06,550 --> 01:00:04,400
go out of your woods but that's the only

1294
01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:06,560
time I've talked to her about it the

1295
01:00:11,140 --> 01:00:08,390
rest of the family my mother knows about

1296
01:00:13,450 --> 01:00:11,150
it she read the book when it came out I

1297
01:00:15,940 --> 01:00:13,460
didn't feel like sitting down and

1298
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:15,950
explaining to everybody so all my

1299
01:00:20,260 --> 01:00:17,570
friends and all has been waiting all

1300
01:00:23,290 --> 01:00:20,270
these years to hear it and they asked me

1301
01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:23,300
about it now I say go get the book and

1302
01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:23,900
read it

1303
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:26,390
it's all in there and that's the only

1304
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:28,310
way I know how to do it you know I don't

1305
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:31,220
want if you sitting now and explain it

1306
01:00:35,830 --> 01:00:32,810
to everybody you'd be explaining the

1307
01:00:37,810 --> 01:00:35,840
rest of your life away so it's just

1308
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:37,820
easier for them to go by the book and

1309
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:40,310
read it and then they got everything

1310
01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:42,170
right there in front of like you say

1311
01:00:46,270 --> 01:00:44,540
this is my leg Calvin

1312
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:46,280
you told me when we was doing the book

1313
01:00:52,180 --> 01:00:48,730
and the reason I considered writing it I

1314
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:52,190
told you that everybody always changes

1315
01:00:56,110 --> 01:00:54,170
the press usually you make a change and

1316
01:00:58,180 --> 01:00:56,120
anything you say to make it seem greater

1317
01:01:01,630 --> 01:00:58,190
well how in the world do you get it

1318
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,640
better than what it is I mean how do you

1319
01:01:07,780 --> 01:01:03,680
explain something to make it more

1320
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:07,790
exciting than getting abducted or going

1321
01:01:12,850 --> 01:01:10,730
through all this it's no way so there's

1322
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:12,860
no reason for the press to try to change

1323
01:01:17,860 --> 01:01:15,950
everything but when we meant you told me

1324
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:17,870
we're documented and that made a lot of

1325
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:19,730
sense this is your legacy

1326
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:21,890
put it down they won't change it they

1327
01:01:26,260 --> 01:01:23,960
can't change it and that made a lot of

1328
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:26,270
sense to me well for those who know

1329
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:29,450
again it's not a common story but last

1330
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,400
year I to begin with I republished the

1331
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:36,880
book that Charles Hickson co-authored

1332
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:41,150
with Malia Mendez that came out in 1983

1333
01:01:49,210 --> 01:01:44,570
I think it was and I have taken

1334
01:01:52,030 --> 01:01:49,220
permission and I republished it and what

1335
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:52,040
I was republishing it I just thought and

1336
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:53,930
you've got a new Charlie Hicks and it

1337
01:01:58,750 --> 01:01:56,330
passed away and I thought it'd be nice

1338
01:02:01,630 --> 01:01:58,760
to find Kelvin because while I'm reading

1339
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:01,640
Charlie's book Calvin I'm thinking when

1340
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:03,650
what Cal me makes it out know if that

1341
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:06,710
happened to Calvin you know and I

1342
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:09,170
thought it'd be nice if I could find you

1343
01:02:14,170 --> 01:02:12,410
and and just get an interview just to

1344
01:02:15,530 --> 01:02:14,180
bring things up today and I my

1345
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,540
intentions were to put it in

1346
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:18,000
back of the republishing of charlie's

1347
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:23,030
book but of course you know yeah i

1348
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:25,560
happened upon you perhaps at the right

1349
01:02:32,810 --> 01:02:30,930
time Calvin tell us how you decided you

1350
01:02:34,820 --> 01:02:32,820
and you one weighing out your wife that

1351
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:34,830
perhaps a book might be the best way to

1352
01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:36,770
go about things how did that come about

1353
01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:40,020
well we live in like a little

1354
01:02:45,530 --> 01:02:41,940
subdivision and one of our neighbors

1355
01:02:49,010 --> 01:02:45,540
passed away at an early age just if you

1356
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:49,020
don't house is down well we went to what

1357
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:51,330
they call a wake time down here I don't

1358
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:54,210
know what it is you know in the UK but

1359
01:03:02,510 --> 01:02:56,490
it it's a wake where you go in and you

1360
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:02,520
just sign up register and be with the

1361
01:03:08,060 --> 01:03:04,710
family after you know and show you

1362
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:08,070
concerns so we was at this wait and I

1363
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:10,380
messed up and normally I don't sign my

1364
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:13,710
name to nothing naughty mature but I

1365
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:16,050
signed it that day on the register

1366
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:19,110
well everybody knowed my history around

1367
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:21,450
here because it had been for The

1368
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:23,610
Associated Press coming around hunting

1369
01:03:28,750 --> 01:03:26,610
me one day and they always thought that

1370
01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:28,760
I was a woman but they weren't for sure

1371
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:31,910
so they got to reading the register and

1372
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:34,410
somebody put two and two together again

1373
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:38,850
and they knew that I was the one in 1973

1374
01:03:43,790 --> 01:03:41,760
well when that happened a lot of people

1375
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:43,800
started coming up and talking and won't

1376
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:45,650
my autograph and I couldn't figure out

1377
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,480
what in the world we was gonna do I said

1378
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:50,460
though you know this is really

1379
01:03:55,610 --> 01:03:53,310
disrespectful in the family so me and my

1380
01:04:00,620 --> 01:03:55,620
wife just got in the car or the truck

1381
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:00,630
and drove off and while we was driving

1382
01:04:08,180 --> 01:04:03,450
off one it had told me why don't you

1383
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:08,190
write a book so I told her just passing

1384
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,420
I said you know I don't have the

1385
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:12,000
education to write a book you know I

1386
01:04:17,390 --> 01:04:15,240
don't have any majors and any kind of

1387
01:04:19,550 --> 01:04:17,400
literature or nothing I said I tell you

1388
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:19,560
what if a ghostwriter comes by and tells

1389
01:04:26,570 --> 01:04:21,450
me they want to write a book we'll do it

1390
01:04:28,220 --> 01:04:26,580
and just something to satisfy her to

1391
01:04:29,060 --> 01:04:28,230
keep her mouth shut about it because I

1392
01:04:31,570 --> 01:04:29,070
was over the top

1393
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:31,580
I heard about it to be honest with you

1394
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:36,240
so we went on home well that night again

1395
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:38,940
she brought it up and I'd be done the

1396
01:04:46,610 --> 01:04:43,770
next day I got an email from Martin

1397
01:04:48,620 --> 01:04:46,620
Willis said that Phillip was hunting me

1398
01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:48,630
want to know if it was okay to give him

1399
01:04:52,220 --> 01:04:50,190
my contact information

1400
01:04:54,740 --> 01:04:52,230
well I didn't know Phillip from anybody

1401
01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:54,750
I knew Martin from a little podcast that

1402
01:05:01,850 --> 01:04:57,990
I've done a while back he'd run up on me

1403
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:01,860
and you know we just did a little

1404
01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:06,890
podcast and that's where our home

1405
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:10,080
Phillip had got his information from so

1406
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:12,330
Martin gave him permission got

1407
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,370
permission and he gave him my email

1408
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:17,280
address and I emailed him the phone

1409
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:20,310
number and we started talking well it

1410
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:22,170
was the next day Philip called and they

1411
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:24,390
just happened to be like a godsend and

1412
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:26,910
for one that was on my own but to hear

1413
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,130
and Phillip was over here asking

1414
01:05:33,110 --> 01:05:30,960
questions about this and telling me how

1415
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:33,120
good it would be to write a book that

1416
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:36,830
isn't settle all my problems and well

1417
01:05:42,140 --> 01:05:39,690
sorry to interrupt Kelvin I'm not asking

1418
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:42,150
a lot because I'm extremely fascinated

1419
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:44,970
with this but can you please thank

1420
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:48,480
wearing it on my behalf and the many

1421
01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:50,910
many people who've actually bought your

1422
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:54,510
book and you know thank you very much

1423
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:56,130
for doing so because it is a fascinating

1424
01:06:01,250 --> 01:05:58,680
read absolutely fantastic

1425
01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:01,260
sorry to interrupt no please Carol I've

1426
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:05,160
spoken to way net you know and believe

1427
01:06:09,260 --> 01:06:07,260
you me I think she's the counter lady if

1428
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:09,270
she's determined to make you do

1429
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:11,250
something you'll do it eventually if not

1430
01:06:18,020 --> 01:06:13,970
she'll get you in a headlock you know

1431
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:18,030
sounds like my wife Phil no Phillip

1432
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:21,210
probably does but there's been times I

1433
01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:23,040
just want to put a pair of socks in her

1434
01:06:30,290 --> 01:06:28,500
mouth and don't the clean socks yeah it

1435
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:30,300
won't matter to me at the time

1436
01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:32,310
and she probably heard you cuz I bet

1437
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,900
she's back there just kind of he's

1438
01:06:37,930 --> 01:06:36,240
dropping in and I got a Bluetooth

1439
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:37,940
speaker back here too

1440
01:06:42,590 --> 01:06:41,190
but anyhow but she's very protective as

1441
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:42,600
well though Calvin isn't she

1442
01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:47,220
she is she is I don't know what I'd do

1443
01:06:51,110 --> 01:06:49,100
without her she is stood by me when

1444
01:06:53,540 --> 01:06:51,120
nobody else would

1445
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,550
cuz I've been through many a mood swings

1446
01:06:58,310 --> 01:06:55,200
through this you know I go through my

1447
01:07:00,530 --> 01:06:58,320
good and my bad and no and she catches

1448
01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:00,540
at all because she's right here with me

1449
01:07:06,070 --> 01:07:02,820
every day she's been through two

1450
01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:06,080
open-heart surgeries and a stroke and

1451
01:07:12,590 --> 01:07:10,260
all kinds of health problems and matter

1452
01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:12,600
of fact you know I go back to the doctor

1453
01:07:18,590 --> 01:07:14,790
again next week and possibly another

1454
01:07:22,310 --> 01:07:18,600
surgery real quick but anyhow between

1455
01:07:24,140 --> 01:07:22,320
her and Phillip I just mentioned to

1456
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:24,150
Phillip you know maybe I thought about

1457
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:26,940
writing a book he said was send me what

1458
01:07:31,850 --> 01:07:30,030
you got and I said well it was thank you

1459
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:31,860
to myself you know I put my foot in my

1460
01:07:37,550 --> 01:07:33,420
mouth because I really don't have

1461
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:37,560
nothing but I just sat down to satisfy

1462
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:39,720
one and again was making a few little

1463
01:07:44,330 --> 01:07:42,510
notes here and there and just letting

1464
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:44,340
her look at him so she think I was

1465
01:07:49,850 --> 01:07:47,610
putting together a bull which I had no

1466
01:07:52,450 --> 01:07:49,860
idea how to even go about it would had

1467
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:52,460
been for Phillip it would not be a bull

1468
01:07:59,090 --> 01:07:56,310
so I sent Phillip the stuff next day he

1469
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:59,100
mailed me back he said you know that's

1470
01:08:07,790 --> 01:08:01,200
quite a mess but we can work through

1471
01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:07,800
this I said okay so we talked again and

1472
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:09,960
I figured I said well let me think about

1473
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:12,750
it for a little while and I figured when

1474
01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:15,720
I hung up the phone that all maybe this

1475
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:19,080
all go away you know I said well you

1476
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:20,310
know I'm gonna go down here and go

1477
01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:23,100
fishing so I went down and went to

1478
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:25,470
fishing and Philip called we sat there

1479
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:27,690
and talked about it and I thought to

1480
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:29,370
myself you know I might as well write to

1481
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:32,310
Turnbull I don't know how but I got

1482
01:08:38,450 --> 01:08:36,210
somebody that's willing to help me with

1483
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:38,460
this and keep me on the right track and

1484
01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:41,250
that's what happened well Philip knew

1485
01:08:47,150 --> 01:08:44,040
how I felt about our editing the bulk

1486
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:47,160
out because I don't when I say something

1487
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:49,560
I say it my own words a lot for it just

1488
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:53,940
be there the way that it is and in the

1489
01:08:58,849 --> 01:08:56,130
south down here we have a different way

1490
01:09:01,249 --> 01:08:58,859
of all talking and we have a different

1491
01:09:03,950 --> 01:09:01,259
way of spelling words in a different way

1492
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:03,960
of giving directions like we don't give

1493
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:05,699
street names we'll go down through the

1494
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,710
old big oak tree down over with a nail

1495
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:10,319
grove in it TURN RIGHT with something

1496
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:12,210
like that so we reached an agreement

1497
01:09:16,519 --> 01:09:14,310
Phillips that I'll help you any way I

1498
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,529
can you know I know it'd probably be

1499
01:09:21,379 --> 01:09:18,719
next year maybe another year we're in no

1500
01:09:22,430 --> 01:09:21,389
hurry to do this and I was thinking to

1501
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:22,440
myself

1502
01:09:28,579 --> 01:09:26,310
hell if I can read a book in a week and

1503
01:09:30,649 --> 01:09:28,589
I usually can't I might not read it the

1504
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:30,659
way it's supposed to be read but I can

1505
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:33,089
jump around readable why can't we do

1506
01:09:40,099 --> 01:09:35,790
this in a couple of weeks he kind of

1507
01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:40,109
sent me a guideline to work down by what

1508
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:42,270
the way that I should like chapter to

1509
01:09:49,249 --> 01:09:45,960
chapter you know introduce myself tell

1510
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:49,259
all about myself and then tell how I

1511
01:09:54,919 --> 01:09:51,960
meant Charlie then tell what happened to

1512
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:54,929
us and tell what happened afterwards so

1513
01:10:00,260 --> 01:09:57,449
we did it on a y'all chapter chapter

1514
01:10:02,810 --> 01:10:00,270
basis and that really worked out good

1515
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:02,820
I'd do a little bit and hit send it to

1516
01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:05,100
him and you'd say maybe you need to

1517
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:07,080
think about adding a little more detail

1518
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:08,940
you haven't gotten enough detail in here

1519
01:10:14,930 --> 01:10:12,480
or something and I would and that's just

1520
01:10:17,930 --> 01:10:14,940
the way this thing came together it's

1521
01:10:20,660 --> 01:10:17,940
not a book like you would get a real

1522
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:20,670
education well a real well-educated

1523
01:10:25,820 --> 01:10:24,300
person to do because I didn't want it

1524
01:10:28,939 --> 01:10:25,830
like that and I don't think Philip

1525
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:28,949
wanted it like that well I thought the

1526
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:31,170
end of the day sorry Phil you're doing

1527
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:32,489
yourself a disservice

1528
01:10:36,979 --> 01:10:34,920
Calvin because it is written in your own

1529
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,989
words we made that quite clear at the

1530
01:10:43,459 --> 01:10:39,840
beginning of the book but you may not

1531
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:43,469
have had an education a formal education

1532
01:10:49,090 --> 01:10:46,290
as far as high school concerned but you

1533
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:49,100
know you're not a stupid man either and

1534
01:10:54,260 --> 01:10:52,290
I feel I'm the same I didn't have a

1535
01:10:57,050 --> 01:10:54,270
great education and nine of the Chris

1536
01:10:59,540 --> 01:10:57,060
and I I don't count any of us as being

1537
01:11:01,840 --> 01:10:59,550
stupid so and I you know no I mean a

1538
01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:01,850
formal education doesn't mean anything

1539
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:05,820
but you were insistent that it remains

1540
01:11:09,859 --> 01:11:08,310
in your own words and that's exactly

1541
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:09,869
what we did

1542
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:11,400
but that's the important thing gentlemen

1543
01:11:17,089 --> 01:11:14,280
you know it is in Calvin's own words

1544
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:17,099
it's how we described how we saw the

1545
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:19,860
events unfold and that is the important

1546
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:22,110
thing it doesn't matter what mr. ABC are

1547
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:25,650
said on mrs. ABC said it's Calvin's

1548
01:11:30,979 --> 01:11:27,960
story and that is what makes it a

1549
01:11:32,839 --> 01:11:30,989
fascinating read I mean this is true in

1550
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,849
it Calvin there are certain certain

1551
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:35,520
phrases that you use that I used to had

1552
01:11:50,089 --> 01:11:47,859
little language problems in every bit

1553
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,099
but one of the things one of the things

1554
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:52,800
we put in the book which people may not

1555
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:54,420
be aware of those that haven't read it

1556
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:00,080
is theirs back in 1993 you met up with

1557
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,070
us researcher but Hopkins now I only

1558
01:12:11,959 --> 01:12:07,280
would very well and you actually

1559
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:11,969
consented to allow blood to hypnotize

1560
01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:15,750
you and use regressive hypnosis you were

1561
01:12:19,330 --> 01:12:17,820
down in Florida at the time tell us a

1562
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:19,340
little bit about how that came about

1563
01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:24,210
Calvin well the course like Phillip said

1564
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:27,000
this was in 93 and what had happened the

1565
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:30,960
reason that I did this I woke up one

1566
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,030
morning not told one in US and I'm going

1567
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,760
fishing I'm going out to cat island now

1568
01:12:40,459 --> 01:12:38,159
during this time I was still worried

1569
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:40,469
about staying after at nights you know

1570
01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:44,460
because especially by myself I didn't

1571
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:46,440
want to get a Duquette or something like

1572
01:12:51,740 --> 01:12:48,420
that anymore didn't want to see nothing

1573
01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:51,750
like that but I still hadn't figured out

1574
01:13:00,560 --> 01:12:55,710
what it went on myself so I left and

1575
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:00,570
went fishing and it was about a six six

1576
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:05,369
mile trip at my bow got there and I said

1577
01:13:10,339 --> 01:13:07,770
am was waiting on a tide change in the

1578
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:10,349
boat I was going to eat my lunch so I

1579
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:12,090
got my lunch out and I laid you'd over

1580
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:15,690
there on the side and the next thing I

1581
01:13:22,939 --> 01:13:20,040
knew I come to and it was dark and I had

1582
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,949
all this time missing that I didn't know

1583
01:13:26,980 --> 01:13:23,760
what happened

1584
01:13:31,700 --> 01:13:26,990
didn't know about fell asleep passed out

1585
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,710
had a city sure of what had happened but

1586
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:33,840
all this time was missing and that was

1587
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:37,050
really bothering me so by the time I got

1588
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:39,000
home it was going on three or four

1589
01:13:47,330 --> 01:13:44,490
o'clock in the morning and I still

1590
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:47,340
couldn't figure out and I was hoping she

1591
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:49,800
hadn't called the Coast Guard and she

1592
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:51,930
hadn't but she had left a letter on my

1593
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:53,210
truck

1594
01:13:57,740 --> 01:13:56,310
asking for me to get a hold of her

1595
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,750
collar when I come in

1596
01:14:02,000 --> 01:13:59,520
well I didn't know what I was even going

1597
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:02,010
to tell her my first thought was just

1598
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,360
tell her I've been off in the bar

1599
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:05,280
drinking and fighting because they was

1600
01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:07,170
blood from one end to me to the other

1601
01:14:15,770 --> 01:14:10,590
now but that was from a nosebleed there

1602
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,780
also so I went on home I got to the

1603
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:17,520
house where the next day a friend of

1604
01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:21,840
mine came over and I told him I said

1605
01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:25,380
look I got a problem is a friend that I

1606
01:14:30,620 --> 01:14:27,630
really trusted I said I got a problem I

1607
01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:30,630
was fishing yesterday and run up into

1608
01:14:38,620 --> 01:14:33,960
the night and oh I've got a lot of

1609
01:14:43,190 --> 01:14:38,630
missing time well he kind of studied a

1610
01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:43,200
lot of this UFO stuff or got into it

1611
01:14:47,810 --> 01:14:45,150
since he knew I was in it but he never

1612
01:14:50,330 --> 01:14:47,820
talked to me about it and he said

1613
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:50,340
missing time I said yeah he said I know

1614
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:52,290
a manís wrote a book on missing time

1615
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:55,080
he's in Tampa Florida right now at a

1616
01:15:02,000 --> 01:14:58,560
conference and he would love to talk to

1617
01:15:03,940 --> 01:15:02,010
you I know he would and let's go talk to

1618
01:15:06,740 --> 01:15:03,950
him he didn't really give me a choice

1619
01:15:09,380 --> 01:15:06,750
well I trusted him enough that we left

1620
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:09,390
in though went to talk to him now the

1621
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:12,080
strange thing about that too he said I

1622
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:14,490
want to look in your boat he went out

1623
01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:16,770
looked in the boat he said did you catch

1624
01:15:23,630 --> 01:15:19,710
any fish I said now he opened the cover

1625
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:23,640
up and it was full of fish I couldn't

1626
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:26,850
figure that out I said man I've done

1627
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:30,210
crazy so anyhow making long story short

1628
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:32,580
we went to Florida I told him I said

1629
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:36,450
look I don't want to go in no UFO

1630
01:15:42,290 --> 01:15:37,260
conference

1631
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:42,300
is I don't know who this guy is you want

1632
01:15:47,810 --> 01:15:44,100
me to talk to you and he probably don't

1633
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,820
know me but it was Budd Hopkins so he

1634
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:49,920
went in then he told bud that I was

1635
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:51,450
after I wanted to talk to him of course

1636
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:54,570
Budd knew me through the press and all

1637
01:16:01,670 --> 01:15:58,860
and he agreed to see us told us to go to

1638
01:16:04,340 --> 01:16:01,680
his go to his room away don't see it be

1639
01:16:05,210 --> 01:16:04,350
there just soon as he spoke and he was

1640
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:05,220
good as his word

1641
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:10,500
Budd showed up at the room and we sat

1642
01:16:15,770 --> 01:16:12,810
down and talked a few minutes he said

1643
01:16:18,260 --> 01:16:15,780
let me hypnotize you he said I can help

1644
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:18,270
you he said I've been through this a lot

1645
01:16:23,780 --> 01:16:21,210
I know what I'm doing and actually I

1646
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:23,790
just felt a warm feeling coming from bud

1647
01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:25,290
and that's kind of feeling you get when

1648
01:16:32,030 --> 01:16:26,790
you're around but Hopkins

1649
01:16:35,410 --> 01:16:32,040
oh I said ok I said but the deal is I

1650
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:35,420
don't want you putting stuff in my head

1651
01:16:41,690 --> 01:16:39,810
that that didn't happen and I'm gonna be

1652
01:16:43,580 --> 01:16:41,700
sure that you don't I'm gonna let

1653
01:16:51,770 --> 01:16:43,590
somebody stay in the room with a ball

1654
01:16:53,630 --> 01:16:51,780
bat and about that but I had seen these

1655
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:53,640
people getting hypnotized and lost later

1656
01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:56,130
in Las Vegas on his floor shows and you

1657
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,020
know they do all kind of stupid stuff I

1658
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:00,960
didn't want to remember anything that I

1659
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:05,730
wa that wasn't mine and I told bud that

1660
01:17:13,010 --> 01:17:10,530
and he agreed so we went through I guess

1661
01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:13,020
I don't know how long I still hadn't

1662
01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:15,900
listened to the CD that all they said

1663
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:17,880
I've read some of it in the book but not

1664
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:21,090
much what memories I'm getting now is

1665
01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:23,010
just from my memory it's not from

1666
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,420
reading the book because Philip had put

1667
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:30,480
the transcripts from the but Hopkins

1668
01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:34,230
hypnosis into the book and he also made

1669
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:36,270
me a CD and sent to me and I hadn't

1670
01:17:40,580 --> 01:17:37,860
listened to it yet I turned it on a

1671
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:40,590
couple of times and I just turned it off

1672
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:43,290
because I don't want this in my head but

1673
01:17:49,190 --> 01:17:44,730
he went through it and he put a

1674
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:49,200
posthypnotic suggestion that I would

1675
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:50,910
only remember this

1676
01:17:59,660 --> 01:17:55,890
I could handle it and I wouldn't worry

1677
01:18:02,450 --> 01:17:59,670
you know I wouldn't just let it take

1678
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:02,460
over well when we got the book and I

1679
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:05,070
seen the Budd Hopkins hitman hypnosis it

1680
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,050
started reading where Philip had

1681
01:18:11,710 --> 01:18:09,120
transcribed it in there a little bit I

1682
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:11,720
just read a little bit of I went out

1683
01:18:17,930 --> 01:18:15,330
told Wynette I said one that she was on

1684
01:18:20,690 --> 01:18:17,940
the porch I heard my mother I said I did

1685
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:20,700
get hypnotized that was shocking to me I

1686
01:18:26,090 --> 01:18:23,280
didn't even remember being hypnotized I

1687
01:18:28,460 --> 01:18:26,100
said he did do it because this right

1688
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:28,470
here black and white in the book and I

1689
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:31,770
seen a picture at that time just a

1690
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:34,770
regular old picture of the tape that had

1691
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:37,050
the date now on it where he had done it

1692
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,450
and apparently it was probably an hour

1693
01:18:43,940 --> 01:18:42,000
to have hypnosis or maybe longer I don't

1694
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:43,950
know how long it lasts yeah I mean we

1695
01:18:48,620 --> 01:18:46,290
found out that but had done the hypnosis

1696
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:48,630
a sadly as we mentioned you know but had

1697
01:18:56,570 --> 01:18:54,420
passed away and he donated all of his

1698
01:18:58,460 --> 01:18:56,580
archive with his research material to

1699
01:19:02,870 --> 01:18:58,470
another researcher called dr. David

1700
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:02,880
Jacobs in the States so I emailed dr.

1701
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:05,850
Jacobs to see if he had a tape of the

1702
01:19:10,460 --> 01:19:08,820
session and he said yes and I think I

1703
01:19:12,230 --> 01:19:10,470
copied you in on one of the emails

1704
01:19:15,050 --> 01:19:12,240
because he wouldn't release it until you

1705
01:19:17,780 --> 01:19:15,060
give him permission that's right yeah he

1706
01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:17,790
made me a copy and believe it or not I

1707
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:20,190
had to buy this is a cassette tape the

1708
01:19:24,650 --> 01:19:22,530
old cassette tapes I had a cassette

1709
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:24,660
player but it didn't work anymore so to

1710
01:19:30,260 --> 01:19:28,290
buy another one to play it say I'll stop

1711
01:19:33,260 --> 01:19:30,270
my headphones on to transcribe it for

1712
01:19:37,970 --> 01:19:33,270
the book and this is where I got stuck

1713
01:19:40,010 --> 01:19:37,980
because he's you under hypnosis you get

1714
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:40,020
all talking rather quietly to be to

1715
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:43,290
begin with so when you start talking

1716
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:46,050
they have you in your Mississippi accent

1717
01:19:51,650 --> 01:19:48,570
and then you have bud who was from New

1718
01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:51,660
York in his New York accent and he had

1719
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:54,060
me from Yorkshire in England in the

1720
01:20:01,060 --> 01:19:55,440
middle trying to figure out what you

1721
01:20:04,850 --> 01:20:03,320
of course there's little bits on the

1722
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:04,860
tape that you can't hear

1723
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,780
no matter what you do we you just can't

1724
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:08,400
make it out but not a lot but I think we

1725
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:11,340
there's about an hour and a half around

1726
01:20:16,460 --> 01:20:14,640
about that Calvin and and you know we

1727
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:16,470
published it in the book for the first

1728
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:19,620
time and a nil on a number of podcasts

1729
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:20,610
that you've done those that have

1730
01:20:25,190 --> 01:20:22,370
bothered to read the book in advance

1731
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:25,200
that was one particular segment of the

1732
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:26,490
book that they found particularly

1733
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:28,290
interesting that's why I mentioned it

1734
01:20:37,070 --> 01:20:34,230
and you know it was it's it it related

1735
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:37,080
to you be part of missing time but

1736
01:20:43,700 --> 01:20:40,410
talked about that under hypnosis and he

1737
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:43,710
also went back over what happened to you

1738
01:20:48,980 --> 01:20:47,010
in 1973 and before all that as well

1739
01:20:51,890 --> 01:20:48,990
because one of the questions he asked

1740
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:51,900
you and we had been asked this

1741
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:53,910
subsequently is you remember anything

1742
01:20:57,890 --> 01:20:56,010
else of when you were younger and I

1743
01:20:59,180 --> 01:20:57,900
think there's one little incident that

1744
01:21:02,510 --> 01:20:59,190
you mentioned between you and your

1745
01:21:03,460 --> 01:21:02,520
brother when you were when you just tell

1746
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:03,470
us about that

1747
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:07,410
and I always can relate back I don't

1748
01:21:12,110 --> 01:21:09,840
remember years nothing real good but

1749
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:12,120
this is around the time the Kennedy got

1750
01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:14,910
assassinated just a little after that

1751
01:21:22,490 --> 01:21:18,300
and we lived in a small house and my

1752
01:21:24,980 --> 01:21:22,500
brother and I had to share a bedroom and

1753
01:21:27,140 --> 01:21:24,990
most of the time even me or him Warren

1754
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,150
would sleep on the floor sometimes we'd

1755
01:21:31,790 --> 01:21:28,800
both get up in the bed you know he's a

1756
01:21:34,940 --> 01:21:31,800
pretty big bed but he woke up screaming

1757
01:21:39,860 --> 01:21:34,950
one night and said that there was a

1758
01:21:42,050 --> 01:21:39,870
ghost blowing in my ear and it scared me

1759
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:42,060
because I did feel something in my ear

1760
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:45,690
that I didn't and it scared me and I

1761
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:47,490
started screaming you know you're just a

1762
01:21:53,210 --> 01:21:50,610
kid and you get all shook up but he

1763
01:21:55,820 --> 01:21:53,220
swears that he sent it not only on one

1764
01:21:58,910 --> 01:21:55,830
occasion but several occasions this

1765
01:22:01,820 --> 01:21:58,920
happened and I'd give anything in the

1766
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,830
world now if he was alive and I could

1767
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:03,840
just set him down and talk to him about

1768
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:04,050
it

1769
01:22:08,420 --> 01:22:05,760
normal and I should have done that

1770
01:22:09,860 --> 01:22:08,430
before he passed away but you know he

1771
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:09,870
was younger and I didn't know when he

1772
01:22:15,650 --> 01:22:14,220
was gonna go like he did did he ever

1773
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:15,660
describe what the ghost looked like

1774
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:18,690
Kelvin now because he got a

1775
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:20,610
he would run up the hall when they

1776
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:23,850
usually would happen but one time he did

1777
01:22:31,850 --> 01:22:28,440
kind of describe that it was all well I

1778
01:22:34,670 --> 01:22:31,860
don't say that I can easily remember

1779
01:22:36,860 --> 01:22:34,680
what he described it looked like he just

1780
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:36,870
said it was something in my ear and he

1781
01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:40,489
did that we lived in Las Vegas also and

1782
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:43,140
he kept saying that there was something

1783
01:22:49,729 --> 01:22:46,290
messing with my ear and I noticed I've

1784
01:22:52,370 --> 01:22:49,739
always had serious nosebleeds since

1785
01:22:56,689 --> 01:22:52,380
after that and seemed like every time

1786
01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:56,699
something happened to me like all you

1787
01:23:02,090 --> 01:22:59,010
know in this hypnosis were bud

1788
01:23:05,390 --> 01:23:02,100
there was a craft there and I started

1789
01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:05,400
getting serious nosebleeds there but you

1790
01:23:11,930 --> 01:23:08,460
know I also gave her serious nosebleed

1791
01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:11,940
too and then after this deal with me and

1792
01:23:17,860 --> 01:23:13,739
Charlie I had blood on my shirt and

1793
01:23:20,420 --> 01:23:17,870
that's why I started worrying about how

1794
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:20,430
contaminated somebody with this blood

1795
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:22,199
now and then getting some kind of

1796
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:27,060
disease but into hypnosis I remember now

1797
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:30,690
I still hadn't know read it or listened

1798
01:23:35,060 --> 01:23:32,910
to that tape but I do remember what

1799
01:23:40,130 --> 01:23:35,070
happening I tell you where that came

1800
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:40,140
about Linda or Hal had mentioned that

1801
01:23:45,170 --> 01:23:43,500
she had read a patently studied it and

1802
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,180
asked me a question about it

1803
01:23:49,550 --> 01:23:46,800
and they just started triggering

1804
01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:49,560
memories and I know that was a hard show

1805
01:23:56,060 --> 01:23:53,100
for me to do because all my memory just

1806
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:56,070
kept flashing that flash and I wanted a

1807
01:24:00,620 --> 01:23:57,960
certain thing for myself for a minute

1808
01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:00,630
and I was on with her and she was

1809
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:02,580
throwing questions out everywhere which

1810
01:24:07,670 --> 01:24:05,010
was her job and she does a good job at

1811
01:24:10,189 --> 01:24:07,680
it but that's what triggered it to start

1812
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:10,199
real and it got me thinking about all of

1813
01:24:17,660 --> 01:24:14,340
it but I would become coming here okay I

1814
01:24:23,390 --> 01:24:17,670
went through what I feel like was

1815
01:24:26,630 --> 01:24:23,400
another abduction maybe to take out

1816
01:24:30,740 --> 01:24:26,640
something out of my nose and when it did

1817
01:24:32,570 --> 01:24:30,750
it got so painful that me and this

1818
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:32,580
female looking being

1819
01:24:39,020 --> 01:24:35,250
I was talking about actually got into a

1820
01:24:40,940 --> 01:24:39,030
physical confrontation on the ship and I

1821
01:24:43,730 --> 01:24:40,950
was really gonna grab her around the

1822
01:24:45,260 --> 01:24:43,740
neck and jump jump out the door if I

1823
01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:45,270
could find out where to open the door

1824
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:48,510
and if it had killed me I didn't care

1825
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:51,000
how far up we was and how far down or if

1826
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:53,400
we drowned it I would have the proof in

1827
01:24:58,820 --> 01:24:55,650
my arm and that was what was on my mind

1828
01:25:02,630 --> 01:24:58,830
and I think I literally died at one time

1829
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:02,640
on that ship to be honest with you no no

1830
01:25:08,540 --> 01:25:04,860
you were plagued by the media weren't

1831
01:25:11,180 --> 01:25:08,550
you and this set you on a course to sort

1832
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:11,190
of move on after all this happened back

1833
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:14,850
in 1973 and I think it's fair to say you

1834
01:25:21,860 --> 01:25:17,250
let it a colorful life and had a variety

1835
01:25:23,690 --> 01:25:21,870
of jobs I mean I'm sure you won't mind

1836
01:25:25,460 --> 01:25:23,700
me saying but one of the jobs at one

1837
01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:25,470
point you would a bounty hunter is that

1838
01:25:30,410 --> 01:25:27,750
correct that's correct yes sir

1839
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:30,420
how long did you do that for Kelvin Oh a

1840
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,320
couple of years I guess and I got my

1841
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:36,480
license now I made pretty good money

1842
01:25:42,290 --> 01:25:40,800
doing it I just got tired of tracking

1843
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:42,300
people down and beating them down with

1844
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:44,340
ball bats and stuff and taking them to

1845
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:47,580
jail cuz when you're a bounty hunter you

1846
01:25:54,380 --> 01:25:51,900
don't have no really you don't have no

1847
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:54,390
rules about you about anything goes if

1848
01:26:01,250 --> 01:25:57,000
you actually that person that you got

1849
01:26:05,170 --> 01:26:01,260
all that you're going after and then I

1850
01:26:08,090 --> 01:26:05,180
got into collecting money for these old

1851
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:08,100
companies were other companies old a lot

1852
01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:12,000
of money to them and you know I would go

1853
01:26:15,710 --> 01:26:13,620
and just hound them until they finally

1854
01:26:18,020 --> 01:26:15,720
paid them that's worse than a bill

1855
01:26:20,510 --> 01:26:18,030
collector the way I did it oh so you

1856
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:20,520
would a debt collector yeah I was a debt

1857
01:26:25,190 --> 01:26:22,410
collector and I was pretty good at it

1858
01:26:27,950 --> 01:26:25,200
and now I can't in collect money for

1859
01:26:31,130 --> 01:26:27,960
myself I just get tired of hard asking

1860
01:26:32,650 --> 01:26:31,140
people so as a bounty on them and what

1861
01:26:35,780 --> 01:26:32,660
kind of collectors did you come across

1862
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:35,790
Calvin you know he was so even must have

1863
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:37,650
come across a few rogues in your time I

1864
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:40,860
did I remember one time in our Houston

1865
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:43,530
Texas I chased somebody our way down

1866
01:26:48,230 --> 01:26:45,600
there into an apartment

1867
01:26:50,150 --> 01:26:48,240
and you're supposed to let the law know

1868
01:26:51,710 --> 01:26:50,160
that you're there when you're there you

1869
01:26:54,170 --> 01:26:51,720
know when you come in to get somebody

1870
01:26:57,220 --> 01:26:54,180
this time I didn't let it and I just

1871
01:26:59,540 --> 01:26:57,230
messed down the door went in there and

1872
01:27:01,580 --> 01:26:59,550
instead of taking the shotgun with me

1873
01:27:03,860 --> 01:27:01,590
this time like I normally took I took a

1874
01:27:06,050 --> 01:27:03,870
ball bat and I'm the one that got in

1875
01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:06,060
trouble over there I thought I was gonna

1876
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:08,910
go to jail for pretty good while I had

1877
01:27:13,670 --> 01:27:11,010
him beat down pretty good and the very

1878
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:13,680
reason is I didn't tell him I was going

1879
01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:17,580
after him and I didn't report in but uh

1880
01:27:23,210 --> 01:27:20,520
you get into some bad circumstances and

1881
01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:23,220
I figured that I better back off and

1882
01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:27,780
quit that job then one time I remember

1883
01:27:32,780 --> 01:27:30,270
one time I didn't know how I was gonna

1884
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:32,790
feed my family or anything because I was

1885
01:27:39,980 --> 01:27:35,520
tired of changing jobs I mean I went

1886
01:27:44,060 --> 01:27:39,990
from my life ambition was to buy a house

1887
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:44,070
get married buy a house have children

1888
01:27:48,980 --> 01:27:46,770
and have grandchildren and pay for it

1889
01:27:51,410 --> 01:27:48,990
all my life and I would have been happy

1890
01:27:53,770 --> 01:27:51,420
and just fish when I retired but it was

1891
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:53,780
nothing like that I could never remember

1892
01:27:59,360 --> 01:27:56,400
it with the exception to being in

1893
01:28:02,410 --> 01:27:59,370
business for myself working over a

1894
01:28:05,420 --> 01:28:02,420
couple of years on the job you know so

1895
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:05,430
it's been a hard road to hold I mean

1896
01:28:11,060 --> 01:28:08,490
it's just been dysfunctional as far as a

1897
01:28:13,580 --> 01:28:11,070
family and I have to say one thing for

1898
01:28:16,750 --> 01:28:13,590
my wife she has followed me through

1899
01:28:19,490 --> 01:28:16,760
living hell going through all this

1900
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:19,500
living in travel trailers moving around

1901
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:22,110
all over the country somebody come up

1902
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:25,170
find out where we were and I don't know

1903
01:28:31,490 --> 01:28:28,920
why the reporters and why what I

1904
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:31,500
couldn't understand is why after just

1905
01:28:38,180 --> 01:28:35,130
say 30 35 40 years they kept following

1906
01:28:41,210 --> 01:28:38,190
you we was on the back steps here when

1907
01:28:43,580 --> 01:28:41,220
they had some friends from Seattle

1908
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,590
Washington comes down it took him two

1909
01:28:48,890 --> 01:28:46,080
weeks to drive down here and we was all

1910
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:48,900
just setting out misting and a reporter

1911
01:28:56,180 --> 01:28:51,920
with Associated Press showed up on my

1912
01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:56,190
back porch and just walked up now I

1913
01:29:02,420 --> 01:28:59,580
dealt with reporters enough you know

1914
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:02,430
I knew if I asked him to leave he

1915
01:29:08,420 --> 01:29:06,090
wouldn't leave and I had company I

1916
01:29:10,970 --> 01:29:08,430
didn't want to deal with him and what I

1917
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:10,980
should have done was grabbed up that

1918
01:29:16,490 --> 01:29:12,540
ball back and beat the living daylights

1919
01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:16,500
out that's what I should have done but I

1920
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:18,840
didn't want to be like a violent person

1921
01:29:24,110 --> 01:29:20,490
in front of my company because I was

1922
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:24,120
good good people in some violence like

1923
01:29:29,980 --> 01:29:26,400
that would have scared him to death so I

1924
01:29:33,770 --> 01:29:29,990
said okay you've got just a few minutes

1925
01:29:37,070 --> 01:29:33,780
so he stood out on the back porch this

1926
01:29:39,260 --> 01:29:37,080
Associated Press this is the first one

1927
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:39,270
of the first two interviews I they got

1928
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:42,410
me started and I had put on about a

1929
01:29:48,860 --> 01:29:45,570
hundred pounds there and he made sure

1930
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:48,870
that he showed that off showed all the

1931
01:29:53,420 --> 01:29:51,450
worst pictures he could of me and they

1932
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:53,430
even went to the site and I thought

1933
01:29:57,220 --> 01:29:55,410
about just tying a boat anchor around

1934
01:30:01,520 --> 01:29:57,230
his neck and throwing him off in there

1935
01:30:04,490 --> 01:30:01,530
see if we could see the swim yeah with

1936
01:30:07,220 --> 01:30:04,500
the fishes but anyhow I got through with

1937
01:30:08,990 --> 01:30:07,230
him and then next thing I knew here this

1938
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:09,000
interview was plastered all over the

1939
01:30:15,230 --> 01:30:11,370
papers but in a way that was good it

1940
01:30:18,590 --> 01:30:15,240
worked - Filipinos benefit because that

1941
01:30:22,190 --> 01:30:18,600
got it all started again and it's I'm

1942
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:22,200
sitting on a swing on my back porch but

1943
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:24,300
needless to say after that you know I

1944
01:30:32,450 --> 01:30:27,930
got real active and I I lost 140 pounds

1945
01:30:35,170 --> 01:30:32,460
and matter of fact since I've been to

1946
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:35,180
Texas I lost 15 more pounds so that's

1947
01:30:42,260 --> 01:30:39,930
155 pounds probably so you know we

1948
01:30:44,180 --> 01:30:42,270
published the book for those again who

1949
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:44,190
haven't read it it's called Pascagoula

1950
01:30:50,630 --> 01:30:47,850
the closest encounter my story by Calvin

1951
01:30:54,590 --> 01:30:50,640
Parker the published I in in the summer

1952
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:54,600
cowling and you know we'll be honest and

1953
01:31:00,890 --> 01:30:57,570
say it did very well and he's still

1954
01:31:03,050 --> 01:31:00,900
doing very well it's in paperback king

1955
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:03,060
or an even an audiobook that's what you

1956
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:06,090
were referring to earlier Brad it's come

1957
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:08,610
out in Japanese will be out in German

1958
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:10,530
and Spanish probably other language as

1959
01:31:13,879 --> 01:31:12,090
well what kind of reaction have you had

1960
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:13,889
locally once the

1961
01:31:18,889 --> 01:31:15,840
book came out and you were bucking the

1962
01:31:20,899 --> 01:31:18,899
media again gosh these people love it

1963
01:31:24,259 --> 01:31:20,909
down here for some reason they were

1964
01:31:29,870 --> 01:31:24,269
starving to death to hear this story to

1965
01:31:32,989 --> 01:31:29,880
meet me and matter of fact October 11th

1966
01:31:35,929 --> 01:31:32,999
it kind of shot me the city of

1967
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:35,939
Pascagoula had one of their little tours

1968
01:31:45,889 --> 01:31:44,130
people put on a book signing that's

1969
01:31:49,069 --> 01:31:45,899
trying to thank the world on October

1970
01:31:50,779 --> 01:31:49,079
11th the 45th anniversary and they asked

1971
01:31:53,959 --> 01:31:50,789
me about come of course I'd been foolish

1972
01:31:56,989 --> 01:31:53,969
not to go and at this time I was already

1973
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:56,999
used to some of the publicity in all

1974
01:32:02,270 --> 01:31:59,280
alone II and I really wanted to meet

1975
01:32:04,069 --> 01:32:02,280
some of these people that live here on

1976
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:04,079
the coast and see how they really felt

1977
01:32:08,419 --> 01:32:06,449
about it and everything I didn't have no

1978
01:32:11,509 --> 01:32:08,429
idea cuz nobody ever talked to me about

1979
01:32:13,370 --> 01:32:11,519
it I went to the book signing and you

1980
01:32:17,089 --> 01:32:13,380
wouldn't believe the people that was

1981
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:17,099
there the reception that I got and the

1982
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:20,639
research and I'm still getting and it

1983
01:32:25,819 --> 01:32:23,489
was just amazing to me to be able to sit

1984
01:32:29,060 --> 01:32:25,829
down and talk to these people to sign

1985
01:32:31,939 --> 01:32:29,070
their books and there wasn't enough time

1986
01:32:34,189 --> 01:32:31,949
at this book signing I mean I set up our

1987
01:32:37,279 --> 01:32:34,199
all day long and signed books as long as

1988
01:32:40,459 --> 01:32:37,289
I could and then finally I got up and

1989
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,469
you know I was talking telling just a

1990
01:32:45,259 --> 01:32:43,199
little bit about it right there and they

1991
01:32:47,810 --> 01:32:45,269
didn't want me to stop I mean people

1992
01:32:50,299 --> 01:32:47,820
were starving for it you know and the

1993
01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:50,309
majority of the audience was the younger

1994
01:32:57,529 --> 01:32:55,320
people that was all like five ten twelve

1995
01:32:59,839 --> 01:32:57,539
years old at the time this happened and

1996
01:33:01,759 --> 01:32:59,849
the parents seen something and heard

1997
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:01,769
about it and they was telling me how

1998
01:33:06,469 --> 01:33:03,510
their parents went in the house and

1999
01:33:09,109 --> 01:33:06,479
locked the doors and wouldn't let him go

2000
01:33:10,969 --> 01:33:09,119
outside and play or nothing and had one

2001
01:33:14,089 --> 01:33:10,979
of them told me just the other night we

2002
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:14,099
had a little Christmas party parade down

2003
01:33:18,379 --> 01:33:15,570
here and the city wanted me to come to

2004
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:18,389
that so I want to signed a few more

2005
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:20,340
books and they said he sold a few more

2006
01:33:25,330 --> 01:33:23,760
books that they had purchased and one of

2007
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:25,340
them was telling me that Oh

2008
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:27,730
their mama was set in

2009
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:29,770
in the window and saying something come

2010
01:33:37,380 --> 01:33:32,320
by and I was trying to get her address a

2011
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:37,390
name and finally I get as somebody who

2012
01:33:41,700 --> 01:33:39,310
had bought the book they wrote a receipt

2013
01:33:43,740 --> 01:33:41,710
for it so I'm gonna go up today and go

2014
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:43,750
to the receipts and get her name because

2015
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:46,480
she would be a perfect eyewitness for

2016
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:48,400
this account because she actually seems

2017
01:33:54,300 --> 01:33:50,770
something going on and lived right there

2018
01:33:57,900 --> 01:33:54,310
close to where it was and this lady said

2019
01:34:00,600 --> 01:33:57,910
she's a lady now but she was 12 then she

2020
01:34:03,570 --> 01:34:00,610
said that oh she was in there crying and

2021
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:03,580
screaming when they seen it laughter so

2022
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:05,530
you know it's a lot of amazing things

2023
01:34:11,580 --> 01:34:08,890
happening no I mean I mean I have the

2024
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:11,590
press now treated you differently Kelvin

2025
01:34:15,780 --> 01:34:13,210
now that you've got a book out and

2026
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:15,790
you're talking to them and then I have

2027
01:34:20,130 --> 01:34:17,770
the you know cause you have dealt with

2028
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:20,140
the press since the book came out it's

2029
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:22,450
easy any differently do you think they

2030
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:25,810
are the tresses the press has really

2031
01:34:31,979 --> 01:34:29,290
gave me a big welcome they're excited

2032
01:34:37,650 --> 01:34:31,989
about all this just the other day I had

2033
01:34:41,660 --> 01:34:37,660
all fox news Fox 10 News come up and do

2034
01:34:44,940 --> 01:34:41,670
an interview with me and they sent a

2035
01:34:47,370 --> 01:34:44,950
girl that was recently from Pascagoula

2036
01:34:50,729 --> 01:34:47,380
to do the interview that was working for

2037
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:50,739
Fox News now and her daddy is a preacher

2038
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:53,050
and her daddy had actually seen

2039
01:34:58,729 --> 01:34:54,610
something that night

2040
01:35:02,130 --> 01:34:58,739
and she come in and she was just all

2041
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:02,140
thrilled to do this interview and she

2042
01:35:08,190 --> 01:35:06,010
sat down it must have been four or five

2043
01:35:10,380 --> 01:35:08,200
six hours here at the house then we went

2044
01:35:13,110 --> 01:35:10,390
to the site where it happened and that's

2045
01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:13,120
very intelligent questions nothing

2046
01:35:17,550 --> 01:35:13,750
negative

2047
01:35:19,170 --> 01:35:17,560
whatsoever so you know what I was

2048
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:19,180
thrilled to doing an interview with her

2049
01:35:24,110 --> 01:35:21,280
and she's actually gonna turn it not

2050
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:24,120
into a short news clear but in January

2051
01:35:31,410 --> 01:35:27,610
she's putting out like a one hour thing

2052
01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:31,420
on this whole deal and down here on the

2053
01:35:35,490 --> 01:35:33,940
coast and it's been more and more did a

2054
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:35,500
deal with the Travel Channel

2055
01:35:41,220 --> 01:35:37,810
of course they're not the real press but

2056
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:41,230
you know they was great to work with and

2057
01:35:47,490 --> 01:35:43,810
then and I believe that something being

2058
01:35:52,380 --> 01:35:47,500
proposed in Pascagoula to the Historical

2059
01:35:55,500 --> 01:35:52,390
Society some intelligible that it is the

2060
01:35:58,320 --> 01:35:55,510
Historical Society I talked to the guy

2061
01:36:02,010 --> 01:35:58,330
the other day at that little thing he is

2062
01:36:04,590 --> 01:36:02,020
so excited about he is gonna pay for if

2063
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:04,600
the city can't do it he's gonna pay for

2064
01:36:11,850 --> 01:36:08,650
it itself to put up a plaque and to put

2065
01:36:15,209 --> 01:36:11,860
up a monument of some kind and they

2066
01:36:17,790 --> 01:36:15,219
actually having a figure Rebecca

2067
01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:17,800
with the city is actually having a

2068
01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:24,880
figure made of one of the aliens in the

2069
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:28,060
picture and they go mount it out the

2070
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:30,610
little bit of hold up that they have it

2071
01:36:34,020 --> 01:36:32,890
now is where to put the plant they're

2072
01:36:36,150 --> 01:36:34,030
gonna put it down there where it

2073
01:36:39,390 --> 01:36:36,160
actually happened but they're trying to

2074
01:36:41,970 --> 01:36:39,400
get permission from the halter Marine

2075
01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:41,980
that owns it now to go in and buy that

2076
01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:44,140
or he will just level it off and put the

2077
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:45,460
plant right there because they're not

2078
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,370
using it and they said they've got the

2079
01:36:53,459 --> 01:36:50,080
permission they've just got to do it now

2080
01:36:56,959 --> 01:36:53,469
so what do you think to having a statue

2081
01:37:00,840 --> 01:36:56,969
of one of the creatures in the gentleman

2082
01:37:03,540 --> 01:37:00,850
well it's more to the town's benefit

2083
01:37:06,689 --> 01:37:03,550
this is really bought a lot brought a

2084
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:06,699
lot of attention in on the town and it's

2085
01:37:12,750 --> 01:37:09,010
more to the town's benefit than mine

2086
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:12,760
because what they do I've donated a lot

2087
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:16,449
of time to them because I owed it to the

2088
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:19,210
citizens of Jackson County to let them

2089
01:37:24,150 --> 01:37:21,489
hear this story and to be there for and

2090
01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:24,160
I actually have another book signing at

2091
01:37:28,979 --> 01:37:27,040
the library in January but it's to the

2092
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:28,989
town's benefit because they go start

2093
01:37:33,930 --> 01:37:31,810
doing tours there once a month and they

2094
01:37:36,090 --> 01:37:33,940
want me to come be a tour guide for it

2095
01:37:40,740 --> 01:37:36,100
and they go sell books while they doing

2096
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:40,750
the tour and then it's a possibility you

2097
01:37:45,419 --> 01:37:42,850
know it's always a possibility that they

2098
01:37:48,060 --> 01:37:45,429
could do a little movie or a cook could

2099
01:37:50,970 --> 01:37:48,070
do a little documentary on this and if

2100
01:37:54,900 --> 01:37:50,980
they do that we'll put past the ghoul on

2101
01:37:57,330 --> 01:37:54,910
the map as a tourist town but right now

2102
01:38:01,170 --> 01:37:57,340
they looking to turn Pascagoula into a

2103
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:01,180
Roswell and everybody are you happy with

2104
01:38:08,580 --> 01:38:05,050
oh oh oh no oh I'm fine with it's great

2105
01:38:13,380 --> 01:38:08,590
because they want to make street signs

2106
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:13,390
on the interstate saying you know when

2107
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:15,970
you come in I don't know what they don't

2108
01:38:21,690 --> 01:38:18,010
say but something like pass the ghoul of

2109
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:21,700
the closest encounter or something like

2110
01:38:27,180 --> 01:38:24,250
that you know take this route for the

2111
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:27,190
tour I'm sure they don't have like a

2112
01:38:34,290 --> 01:38:30,880
little Museum there and it's gonna be

2113
01:38:35,250 --> 01:38:34,300
fun because I'm starting to enjoy the

2114
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,260
fun of it

2115
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:37,840
well I know when we you and I have been

2116
01:38:43,020 --> 01:38:40,570
talking one of the things we've

2117
01:38:48,090 --> 01:38:43,030
discussed is that you know since the

2118
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:48,100
book came out something new tends to

2119
01:38:52,980 --> 01:38:50,650
happen to you every day Calvin you know

2120
01:38:55,470 --> 01:38:52,990
on you've been contacted from people all

2121
01:39:01,040 --> 01:38:55,480
over the world just tell us a little bit

2122
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:01,050
about some of those things oh it is ever

2123
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:03,970
almost every morning when you wake up is

2124
01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:09,280
something you I mean had a dog movie

2125
01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:14,920
screenwriters want to do do like a sales

2126
01:39:20,940 --> 01:39:17,950
forum of what they called the pitch for

2127
01:39:23,820 --> 01:39:20,950
it to put in a movie and I've had

2128
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:23,830
documentary companies calling they want

2129
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:26,050
to get this down because they say it's

2130
01:39:31,710 --> 01:39:29,530
you know face it I'm one of the older

2131
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,720
ones I guess now you know to date back

2132
01:39:37,410 --> 01:39:33,760
some of this might have happened and

2133
01:39:39,330 --> 01:39:37,420
it's a different oh I've had someone

2134
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:39,340
call the other day and said look there's

2135
01:39:44,970 --> 01:39:42,010
different types of abduction things

2136
01:39:46,740 --> 01:39:44,980
going on and it's nothing like this this

2137
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:46,750
is classic it's nothing like this

2138
01:39:55,620 --> 01:39:52,090
anymore it's more that well I don't know

2139
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:55,630
how to say it and I I have a Facebook

2140
01:40:00,330 --> 01:39:57,760
page and I have a lot of people on that

2141
01:40:03,210 --> 01:40:00,340
that comes on and I try to get on it

2142
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,220
every day and talk to them to see what

2143
01:40:08,830 --> 01:40:05,920
happens and I hear their stories but we

2144
01:40:10,690 --> 01:40:08,840
have our witnesses come forward like Oh

2145
01:40:14,170 --> 01:40:10,700
you just published another little book

2146
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:14,180
on our witness that came forward onliest

2147
01:40:20,110 --> 01:40:16,490
and I'm looking forward to meeting him

2148
01:40:23,110 --> 01:40:20,120
yeah I mean this is from a Greek

2149
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:23,120
researcher called Stephanus Panaji

2150
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:23,840
Atticus

2151
01:40:32,140 --> 01:40:30,320
I'm glad you said I mean Jeff Ross is a

2152
01:40:36,370 --> 01:40:32,150
lovely guy live just outside of Athens

2153
01:40:38,830 --> 01:40:36,380
and in 1981 he was actually a radio

2154
01:40:42,700 --> 01:40:38,840
officer on board a merchant vessel he

2155
01:40:44,260 --> 01:40:42,710
was in the Merchant Navy and one of the

2156
01:40:48,610 --> 01:40:44,270
ports they were calling out of course

2157
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:48,620
was Pascagoula and it was also a UFO

2158
01:40:53,260 --> 01:40:50,510
research him in Greece and the

2159
01:40:54,670 --> 01:40:53,270
Pascagoula case was his favorite and he

2160
01:40:57,310 --> 01:40:54,680
couldn't believe his luck that he's

2161
01:40:58,330 --> 01:40:57,320
going to be docking there and originally

2162
01:41:01,120 --> 01:40:58,340
he was going to be there for two days

2163
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:01,130
but there was a delay so he managed to

2164
01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:05,450
stay in Pascagoula for a week and it was

2165
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:08,150
introduced to a number of people and one

2166
01:41:15,130 --> 01:41:11,570
was a a pasta the clergyman who was of

2167
01:41:17,140 --> 01:41:15,140
Greek origin and the clergyman and two

2168
01:41:20,590 --> 01:41:17,150
of his colleagues were on the way I

2169
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:20,600
think to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting

2170
01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:25,280
that night 11th of October and they

2171
01:41:31,300 --> 01:41:28,390
witnessed something fly over the road

2172
01:41:34,210 --> 01:41:31,310
heading in towards where you and Charlie

2173
01:41:36,910 --> 01:41:34,220
were now nobody knew about this until

2174
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:36,920
your book came out Stephanus had

2175
01:41:44,230 --> 01:41:41,450
published this in greek at the time but

2176
01:41:48,100 --> 01:41:44,240
of course never been seen in english so

2177
01:41:50,170 --> 01:41:48,110
i published his book in in english sorry

2178
01:41:53,020 --> 01:41:50,180
a small book it's a you know a research

2179
01:41:56,140 --> 01:41:53,030
trip Pascagoula a research trip 1981

2180
01:41:59,230 --> 01:41:56,150
have a look on Amazon it's a fascinating

2181
01:42:01,300 --> 01:41:59,240
read but also I think as you as you well

2182
01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:01,310
know Calvin others have contacted us via

2183
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:04,520
email our social media and also told us

2184
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:07,010
that you know they were around at the

2185
01:42:11,500 --> 01:42:09,770
time and and witnessed something so we

2186
01:42:13,570 --> 01:42:11,510
certainly weren't alone that night in

2187
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:13,580
every respect one of the things I would

2188
01:42:21,220 --> 01:42:16,850
like to ask ask Calvin now you know if

2189
01:42:22,570 --> 01:42:21,230
you look back now to Wayne Wayne it sort

2190
01:42:25,230 --> 01:42:22,580
of first

2191
01:42:28,150 --> 01:42:25,240
pressured you for want of a better word

2192
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:28,160
twisted your arms more like it to to

2193
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:31,250
perhaps write a book do you have you got

2194
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:33,890
any regrets about doing it I mean it's

2195
01:42:39,220 --> 01:42:36,250
too late now Bobby do you have any

2196
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:39,230
absolutely not this has been one of the

2197
01:42:46,630 --> 01:42:41,360
best thing that's ever happened to me

2198
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:46,640
it it gave me a chance it's therapy to

2199
01:42:51,070 --> 01:42:48,650
me to get out and talk to people and

2200
01:42:53,050 --> 01:42:51,080
visit with them and I'm actually what I

2201
01:42:55,900 --> 01:42:53,060
thought I wouldn't I'm actually a people

2202
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:55,910
person I love getting out bill I've been

2203
01:43:01,240 --> 01:42:58,400
smothered down so long over this deal

2204
01:43:03,730 --> 01:43:01,250
and then I feel like I've been released

2205
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:03,740
just kind of set free and I'm able to

2206
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:06,800
free up and talk and actually most of

2207
01:43:12,490 --> 01:43:08,930
the people I talk to thoroughly enjoy

2208
01:43:14,650 --> 01:43:12,500
listening to it they tell me the book is

2209
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:14,660
like setting down in your living room

2210
01:43:20,020 --> 01:43:17,330
and you telling us the story it's not

2211
01:43:24,340 --> 01:43:20,030
like a book like you believe you know

2212
01:43:26,380 --> 01:43:24,350
like you would read like that is how we

2213
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:26,390
plunder isn't it coming it so you wanted

2214
01:43:31,060 --> 01:43:28,730
the book to be that's exactly how I

2215
01:43:34,990 --> 01:43:31,070
wanted it I didn't want it to be a book

2216
01:43:37,630 --> 01:43:35,000
I wanted to be us telling our story

2217
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:37,640
Phillip and I include you in that

2218
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:40,370
because you're the reason this book is

2219
01:43:44,770 --> 01:43:42,290
out and without you it wouldn't be no

2220
01:43:48,220 --> 01:43:44,780
book you've helped me in ways that

2221
01:43:52,530 --> 01:43:48,230
nobody else you've been like a doctor to

2222
01:43:55,210 --> 01:43:52,540
me cured me of all disease or something

2223
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:55,220
so don't you be calling me a doctor

2224
01:44:00,820 --> 01:43:57,290
because somebody Chris mentioned before

2225
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:00,830
we went on air let's meet UFO royalty

2226
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:03,410
somebody called me UFO royalty instantly

2227
01:44:07,480 --> 01:44:05,210
and I'll never live it down so if you're

2228
01:44:09,850 --> 01:44:07,490
not calling me a doctor that's gonna

2229
01:44:11,980 --> 01:44:09,860
give Chris even more ammunition it will

2230
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:11,990
be you know doc doctor feel it next time

2231
01:44:20,410 --> 01:44:15,110
I speak to him no no no no Phil it won't

2232
01:44:21,190 --> 01:44:20,420
be dr. Phil if it'll be majesty you

2233
01:44:23,770 --> 01:44:21,200
wouldn't believe

2234
01:44:26,340 --> 01:44:23,780
everybody knew Phillip to start with in

2235
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:26,350
the States but everybody over here now

2236
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:30,080
really knows Phillip and I talk about

2237
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:32,210
Phillip a good deal on a lot of these

2238
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:34,850
local shows and places like that and

2239
01:44:39,340 --> 01:44:36,290
they get a kick

2240
01:44:41,410 --> 01:44:39,350
because I say well you know we talk

2241
01:44:43,660 --> 01:44:41,420
different languages but we could do

2242
01:44:45,210 --> 01:44:43,670
communicate humming and they all get a

2243
01:44:49,660 --> 01:44:45,220
kick out of there

2244
01:44:51,820 --> 01:44:49,670
well I'm saying other things let me tell

2245
01:44:56,440 --> 01:44:51,830
you these okay in the transcript

2246
01:45:00,640 --> 01:44:56,450
Calvin talks about a tiki bar we went to

2247
01:45:04,660 --> 01:45:00,650
a tiki bar and I racked my brains trying

2248
01:45:07,810 --> 01:45:04,670
to figure out what what is a tiki bar

2249
01:45:10,590 --> 01:45:07,820
you know so I in the end I had to email

2250
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:10,600
and ask him what is it tiki bar Calvin

2251
01:45:19,450 --> 01:45:15,530
yeah that the Tiki quote was she seen

2252
01:45:21,130 --> 01:45:19,460
them a tiki bars all over in these other

2253
01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:21,140
countries you know where people go up

2254
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:23,510
and they can eat and drink and all that

2255
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:26,330
but they've had one it was many business

2256
01:45:33,310 --> 01:45:27,770
down here for a long time

2257
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:33,320
matter of fact the night or a day or the

2258
01:45:37,990 --> 01:45:36,290
day before Charlie and I went to the

2259
01:45:41,890 --> 01:45:38,000
Tiki and we drank two or three little

2260
01:45:45,310 --> 01:45:41,900
beers together and had ate a hamburger

2261
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:45,320
and then ever since then though every

2262
01:45:50,650 --> 01:45:47,810
time we get a chance we now still go to

2263
01:45:53,970 --> 01:45:50,660
the tiki bar it's just a little bit bar

2264
01:45:56,770 --> 01:45:53,980
and they serve great food and we eat and

2265
01:46:00,130 --> 01:45:56,780
the same people still own it they just

2266
01:46:02,290 --> 01:46:00,140
grow old and can't run it no more so

2267
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:02,300
they got somebody else to run it but

2268
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:04,850
matter of fact you got me hungry so I'm

2269
01:46:10,690 --> 01:46:06,410
probably going there when we get through

2270
01:46:15,150 --> 01:46:10,700
today and we're almost running out of

2271
01:46:21,850 --> 01:46:18,310
now you know you've got a number of

2272
01:46:24,670 --> 01:46:21,860
conferences coming up next year in the

2273
01:46:27,700 --> 01:46:24,680
States and because you're going to be

2274
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:27,710
joining us here in Pontefract now are

2275
01:46:32,530 --> 01:46:29,690
you looking forward to coming to west

2276
01:46:35,290 --> 01:46:32,540
yorkshire for the first time I am I'm

2277
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:35,300
really looking I don't like the

2278
01:46:40,030 --> 01:46:37,610
traveling part but I'm looking so

2279
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,040
forward to being there y'all have a

2280
01:46:45,370 --> 01:46:42,800
place that has more history than any

2281
01:46:49,609 --> 01:46:45,380
place in the world to it and I'm a

2282
01:46:52,459 --> 01:46:49,619
history buff I love history plus

2283
01:46:54,770 --> 01:46:52,469
I've grown to love you too Philip I want

2284
01:46:57,140 --> 01:46:54,780
to come there and meet you and you know

2285
01:46:59,839 --> 01:46:57,150
meet the people around you that live

2286
01:47:03,859 --> 01:46:59,849
around there I've met a lot of great

2287
01:47:05,299 --> 01:47:03,869
great people that are on Facebook from

2288
01:47:07,970 --> 01:47:05,309
there and I feel like I know him

2289
01:47:10,010 --> 01:47:07,980
personally and I'm anxious to get down

2290
01:47:12,919 --> 01:47:10,020
and most of them said they're gonna be

2291
01:47:15,169 --> 01:47:12,929
there and meet them yeah I mean what

2292
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:15,179
we'll probably have as well is an

2293
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:17,090
opportunity for the book signing at the

2294
01:47:22,069 --> 01:47:19,770
conference's well Calvin and I assume

2295
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:22,079
that's that's something that will be

2296
01:47:26,750 --> 01:47:25,170
made available yeah oh yeah absolutely

2297
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:26,760
yes far as I'm concerned it will be

2298
01:47:32,689 --> 01:47:29,489
filled absolutely there to be found in

2299
01:47:34,490 --> 01:47:32,699
great I will make sure that the copies

2300
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:34,500
we bring along with the English version

2301
01:47:40,339 --> 01:47:38,730
not the Japanese or the Spanish I'd like

2302
01:47:45,140 --> 01:47:40,349
to see you do translate that while

2303
01:47:49,220 --> 01:47:45,150
you're on the stage Galvan translated oh

2304
01:47:52,069 --> 01:47:49,230
somehow get a little girls hot beer and

2305
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:52,079
that probably go pretty easy yeah well

2306
01:47:56,510 --> 01:47:54,570
you know with famous for our beer in in

2307
01:47:59,629 --> 01:47:56,520
West Yorkshire Chris lives in East

2308
01:48:01,490 --> 01:47:59,639
Yorkshire so far so you know is because

2309
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:01,500
he lives near the sea the beers watered

2310
01:48:07,399 --> 01:48:04,250
down a bit over there believe yourself

2311
01:48:09,229 --> 01:48:07,409
be at least we get proper fish here mate

2312
01:48:12,379 --> 01:48:09,239
without you none of them tiddlers in you

2313
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:12,389
look like yeah I mean yeah you will get

2314
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:14,520
a warm welcome here Calvin I could chew

2315
01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:16,650
your battle and of course if anybody's

2316
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:18,510
you know thinking about buying a ticket

2317
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:23,130
you know please do because once the I

2318
01:48:27,260 --> 01:48:24,690
mean they're already on sale we've

2319
01:48:29,810 --> 01:48:27,270
started to sell them I mentioned the

2320
01:48:32,330 --> 01:48:29,820
Greek researcher stefanos who wrote the

2321
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:32,340
book stefanos is already booked his

2322
01:48:37,939 --> 01:48:35,610
flight in his hotel Calvin and he carry

2323
01:48:41,180 --> 01:48:37,949
he cannot wait to get here to meet you

2324
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:41,190
next year he's you know so that gives

2325
01:48:46,850 --> 01:48:43,770
you some idea of the length people are

2326
01:48:48,859 --> 01:48:46,860
going to come and meet you and you know

2327
01:48:52,129 --> 01:48:48,869
Pontefract he's a high historic little

2328
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:52,139
town it took part in the Civil War there

2329
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:54,210
was a castle here not much of it left

2330
01:48:58,970 --> 01:48:56,010
now the rock even the Romans were here

2331
01:49:01,549 --> 01:48:58,980
in Pontefract well we didn't have any we

2332
01:49:02,570 --> 01:49:01,559
didn't have any Romans in Hull and Phil

2333
01:49:04,340 --> 01:49:02,580
but actually

2334
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:04,350
started the civil war don't know if you

2335
01:49:12,500 --> 01:49:07,170
know well it wouldn't surprise me cause

2336
01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:12,510
trouble everywhere but no you one last

2337
01:49:17,900 --> 01:49:14,940
thing they'll Calvin you know we're

2338
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:17,910
looking forward and many people one of

2339
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:19,170
the reasons the light coming to the

2340
01:49:24,830 --> 01:49:21,210
confidence is just to get to meet you in

2341
01:49:26,690 --> 01:49:24,840
person and you know Chris is in charge

2342
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:26,700
of the conference not me it's the Outer

2343
01:49:32,780 --> 01:49:29,370
Limits magazine conference I'm just I'm

2344
01:49:35,570 --> 01:49:32,790
just helping Chris but they get to ask

2345
01:49:38,660 --> 01:49:35,580
questions as well you know books are

2346
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:38,670
fantastic and you know I would we'd ask

2347
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:40,530
you to buy a copy of the book if you if

2348
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:42,810
you're so inclined but the book can

2349
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:46,290
can't ask you questions Kanak Calvin one

2350
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:49,370
last thing then there will be

2351
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:53,570
undoubtedly skeptics out there Calvin

2352
01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:56,250
and there have been skeptics in today

2353
01:50:01,460 --> 01:49:57,930
one what would you say to all those

2354
01:50:03,410 --> 01:50:01,470
skeptics that don't believe you

2355
01:50:06,230 --> 01:50:03,420
you know what would you say to them now

2356
01:50:08,570 --> 01:50:06,240
well you know it's fine with me if they

2357
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:08,580
don't believe but if they keep an open

2358
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:11,250
mind they should buy the book and read

2359
01:50:14,300 --> 01:50:11,520
it

2360
01:50:15,940 --> 01:50:14,310
everything in this book will stand up in

2361
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:15,950
a court of law

2362
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:19,170
you know you have polygraph test you

2363
01:50:25,700 --> 01:50:21,810
have boisterous test you have eyewitness

2364
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:25,710
accounts and by the time the conference

2365
01:50:31,070 --> 01:50:27,450
just there is no telling how many

2366
01:50:34,490 --> 01:50:31,080
eyewitness accounts we're gonna have but

2367
01:50:36,710 --> 01:50:34,500
just buy the book and read it and keep

2368
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:36,720
an open mind and an open heart if you

2369
01:50:41,330 --> 01:50:39,450
don't believe it I mean that that's like

2370
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:41,340
you know you have some atheists that

2371
01:50:46,820 --> 01:50:44,520
don't believe in the Bible and I'm not

2372
01:50:48,650 --> 01:50:46,830
one but I really you know believe that

2373
01:50:53,390 --> 01:50:48,660
your Lord Jesus came here and they died

2374
01:50:57,530 --> 01:50:53,400
on the cross for us so but have you got

2375
01:51:00,680 --> 01:50:57,540
that any inkling yourself of what

2376
01:51:03,620 --> 01:51:00,690
happened to you back in 1973 you know

2377
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:03,630
what what is your interpretation of that

2378
01:51:12,650 --> 01:51:10,050
night well that that is a really hard

2379
01:51:16,429 --> 01:51:12,660
question that I have thought about and

2380
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:16,439
thought about as far as you think

2381
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:18,570
would seem like someone come from

2382
01:51:25,759 --> 01:51:20,489
another planet came down here and

2383
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:25,769
inducted me on this and and that's a

2384
01:51:31,549 --> 01:51:29,010
good possibility but as far as actually

2385
01:51:34,969 --> 01:51:31,559
what happened I know something happened

2386
01:51:39,069 --> 01:51:34,979
I just don't know exactly why or what I

2387
01:51:42,859 --> 01:51:39,079
think we more or less experiments for

2388
01:51:45,319 --> 01:51:42,869
another race of people you know you even

2389
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:45,329
on earth you have different races of

2390
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:48,239
people they all believe different some

2391
01:51:53,449 --> 01:51:50,880
good people's sons mean people and I

2392
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,459
think at the same case that we're going

2393
01:51:57,949 --> 01:51:55,679
through with these other planets and

2394
01:52:00,679 --> 01:51:57,959
things I don't know they come from

2395
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:00,689
another planet I seem to think it might

2396
01:52:04,939 --> 01:52:02,760
have come interdimensional there for a

2397
01:52:08,029 --> 01:52:04,949
while or that that's where they travel

2398
01:52:10,969 --> 01:52:08,039
now but I don't know I really can't say

2399
01:52:14,270 --> 01:52:10,979
but I do feel like the answer is close

2400
01:52:17,949 --> 01:52:14,280
and we will find out before long mmm I

2401
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:17,959
mean if he could go back in time Calvin

2402
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:20,249
would you change anything would you

2403
01:52:25,699 --> 01:52:23,489
would you have not gone fishing that

2404
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:25,709
night if you'd have had your choice or

2405
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:28,110
if I had my choice no I wouldn't win it

2406
01:52:33,890 --> 01:52:30,449
because it did change my whole life and

2407
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:33,900
I look at the up until the time I wrote

2408
01:52:39,469 --> 01:52:36,719
this book and then between that time I

2409
01:52:42,290 --> 01:52:39,479
look at like all that time is wasted

2410
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:42,300
even though it's life experiences and

2411
01:52:48,469 --> 01:52:45,209
what I should really do is write a book

2412
01:52:50,959 --> 01:52:48,479
on all this time all this time been

2413
01:52:53,899 --> 01:52:50,969
between but it's just so much it

2414
01:52:55,459 --> 01:52:53,909
happened all you know and it's funny

2415
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,469
stuff I don't know if you ever watch

2416
01:53:02,779 --> 01:52:57,840
that National Lampoon vacation with

2417
01:53:05,540 --> 01:53:02,789
Chevy Chase in it yes most of my life is

2418
01:53:08,569 --> 01:53:05,550
like that book and could be classified

2419
01:53:10,669 --> 01:53:08,579
in or just laughing such as oh the

2420
01:53:13,029 --> 01:53:10,679
alligator coming up on the boat I was

2421
01:53:16,279 --> 01:53:13,039
telling you all about you and don't you

2422
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:16,289
be sitting there fishing one time and I

2423
01:53:20,449 --> 01:53:19,050
had just paid $400 for a spinning rear

2424
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:20,459
one that kept telling you better hold

2425
01:53:24,799 --> 01:53:22,050
onto that you better hold onto that

2426
01:53:27,919 --> 01:53:24,809
nagging me and all of a sudden I reached

2427
01:53:29,899 --> 01:53:27,929
down to grab ice tea and something

2428
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:29,909
grabbed it and took it out of my hands I

2429
01:53:36,409 --> 01:53:32,010
for huh that's happened four or five

2430
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,419
times in a row well they'll teach you

2431
01:53:44,859 --> 01:53:38,719
better listen to your wife next time I

2432
01:53:47,239 --> 01:53:44,869
share save me money and long ride well

2433
01:53:50,259 --> 01:53:47,249
I've not asked a lot of questions this

2434
01:53:52,399 --> 01:53:50,269
evening and because I've absolutely been

2435
01:53:54,799 --> 01:53:52,409
mesmerised with everything that you've

2436
01:53:56,899 --> 01:53:54,809
said Calvin and I want to thank you for

2437
01:54:00,020 --> 01:53:56,909
personally for coming on the inside

2438
01:54:02,929 --> 01:54:00,030
Outer Limits radio show and having a

2439
01:54:04,850 --> 01:54:02,939
chat with me and Phil I for one am most

2440
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:04,860
definitely looking forward to welcoming

2441
01:54:10,699 --> 01:54:08,130
you to United Kingdom to England to

2442
01:54:14,830 --> 01:54:10,709
where West Yorkshire and Pontefract hi

2443
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:14,840
guys looking forward to meetin ya and

2444
01:54:18,739 --> 01:54:17,489
welcome you know in fact Phil we might

2445
01:54:20,810 --> 01:54:18,749
even have to get him out a spot of

2446
01:54:21,949 --> 01:54:20,820
fishing on the North Sea well I don't

2447
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:21,959
know I would certainly wouldn't go

2448
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:26,010
fishing with him at all I'm going

2449
01:54:29,779 --> 01:54:28,169
fishing that man do you know as part of

2450
01:54:31,790 --> 01:54:29,789
the local charity down there when he's

2451
01:54:33,859 --> 01:54:31,800
talking about the book signing one of

2452
01:54:37,699 --> 01:54:33,869
the things he was raffling off was a

2453
01:54:39,250 --> 01:54:37,709
night fishing trip with him I wouldn't

2454
01:54:42,469 --> 01:54:39,260
buy a ticket

2455
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:42,479
believe me Phil it's far safer to go

2456
01:54:46,339 --> 01:54:44,610
fishing on the North Sea then fishing

2457
01:54:48,500 --> 01:54:46,349
with Calvin when I'm get around me I

2458
01:54:52,850 --> 01:54:48,510
would not go anywhere near them I tell

2459
01:54:55,609 --> 01:54:52,860
you well yeah I worked in the North Sea

2460
01:54:58,040 --> 01:54:55,619
for a while in the oil field and I

2461
01:55:00,469 --> 01:54:58,050
remember it well I got out matter of

2462
01:55:02,659 --> 01:55:00,479
fact we docked into Singapore there and

2463
01:55:05,330 --> 01:55:02,669
I was thinking what a clean place this

2464
01:55:07,159 --> 01:55:05,340
is but I seen why because you throw some

2465
01:55:11,449 --> 01:55:07,169
paper down they got your own camera

2466
01:55:14,659 --> 01:55:11,459
there come out with pain yeah

2467
01:55:16,969 --> 01:55:14,669
diem United Kingdom is one of the most I

2468
01:55:18,890 --> 01:55:16,979
think there's so many cameras per member

2469
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:18,900
of population for the country I think

2470
01:55:23,540 --> 01:55:21,599
it's one of the most them filmed and

2471
01:55:24,919 --> 01:55:23,550
watched their societies in the world to

2472
01:55:26,899 --> 01:55:24,929
be quite honest with you but it still

2473
01:55:29,209 --> 01:55:26,909
doesn't stop crime Wow when he bounty

2474
01:55:34,729 --> 01:55:29,219
hunters Calvin coming helpers and there

2475
01:55:37,100 --> 01:55:34,739
you go I'm really well one minute ago

2476
01:55:38,959 --> 01:55:37,110
again Calvin personally from me thank

2477
01:55:41,089 --> 01:55:38,969
you very much and I'm sure I feel it

2478
01:55:42,889 --> 01:55:41,099
would like to wear say a final few words

2479
01:55:43,850 --> 01:55:42,899
to you as well thank you as you're

2480
01:55:45,770 --> 01:55:43,860
talking to you again

2481
01:55:47,330 --> 01:55:45,780
Kelvin it means every time I speak to

2482
01:55:52,610 --> 01:55:47,340
you I'll find out something new about

2483
01:55:55,370 --> 01:55:52,620
you I really do it's but one last thing

2484
01:55:57,140 --> 01:55:55,380
for those who are not just satisfied to

2485
01:55:59,390 --> 01:55:57,150
hear you on a podcast if they want to

2486
01:56:02,150 --> 01:55:59,400
meet you in person listen to what you

2487
01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:02,160
have to say face-to-face then come to

2488
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:05,070
the Pontefract conference August the

2489
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:08,970
17th not 2019 and meet the man himself

2490
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:13,530
in person I hope y'all won't do like

2491
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,930
Rebecca dosed me down here and lock me

2492
01:56:21,050 --> 01:56:18,000
up in a room not let me go out and tell

2493
01:56:22,970 --> 01:56:21,060
you because I want to get out actor we

2494
01:56:25,580 --> 01:56:22,980
get to meet two people speak with the

2495
01:56:28,460 --> 01:56:25,590
people and shake your hand and hear

2496
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:28,470
their stories you will tell me and I

2497
01:56:31,130 --> 01:56:30,090
guarantee you it's gonna be a good it's

2498
01:56:36,170 --> 01:56:31,140
gonna be a good day

2499
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:36,180
looking forward to it thank y'all for

2500
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:39,090
having me today the date Saturday the

2501
01:56:45,140 --> 01:56:42,810
17th of August 2019 and the venue will

2502
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:45,150
be the Pontefract Town Hall's Assembly

2503
01:56:51,770 --> 01:56:48,690
Rooms we have seating for 250 at ground

2504
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:51,780
level this is a strictly limited number

2505
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:53,850
so access is on a first-come

2506
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,090
first-served basis this fantastic venue

2507
01:57:02,660 --> 01:56:59,760
is situated close to all three of

2508
01:57:05,390 --> 01:57:02,670
Pontefract railway stations with monk

2509
01:57:07,250 --> 01:57:05,400
Hill being the closest literally a 10

2510
01:57:09,590 --> 01:57:07,260
minute walk away from the venue deals

2511
01:57:11,330 --> 01:57:09,600
traveling by car car parking is less

2512
01:57:13,730 --> 01:57:11,340
than a five-minute walk from the venue

2513
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:13,740
and it's currently charged at four pound

2514
01:57:17,660 --> 01:57:16,050
fifty all day the paunchy front bus

2515
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:17,670
station is less than two minutes away

2516
01:57:22,250 --> 01:57:20,250
from the venue and saturday is also a

2517
01:57:24,530 --> 01:57:22,260
pontiff racks market day with many

2518
01:57:27,380 --> 01:57:24,540
facilities available there is also a

2519
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:27,390
many sandwich shops fish and chip shops

2520
01:57:32,510 --> 01:57:29,850
and other types of food available all

2521
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:32,520
within a five-minute walk of the venue

2522
01:57:38,390 --> 01:57:34,890
and Pontefract as good access to both

2523
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:38,400
the m1 and the m62 it is with honor and

2524
01:57:42,500 --> 01:57:40,410
a little bit of excitement that outer

2525
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:42,510
limits magazine can now announce the

2526
01:57:48,410 --> 01:57:46,170
speakers for it's 2019 event towards the

2527
01:57:51,230 --> 01:57:48,420
events working under the banner title of

2528
01:57:54,110 --> 01:57:51,240
the closest of encounters as always

2529
01:57:56,300 --> 01:57:54,120
shall be Ultimates magazine editor Chris

2530
01:57:57,330 --> 01:57:56,310
Evers it will present a talk on a

2531
01:57:59,910 --> 01:57:57,340
subject a row

2532
01:58:01,260 --> 01:57:59,920
to the theme of the conference making

2533
01:58:04,590 --> 01:58:01,270
his Outer Limits magazine conference

2534
01:58:07,470 --> 01:58:04,600
debut shall be author and experiencer

2535
01:58:09,570 --> 01:58:07,480
Philip Kinsella who shall discuss is an

2536
01:58:12,450 --> 01:58:09,580
extremely close encounter event and

2537
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:12,460
personal experiences making his third

2538
01:58:17,730 --> 01:58:14,770
appearance and out limits magazine event

2539
01:58:19,620 --> 01:58:17,740
will be Paul Sinclair to discuss more

2540
01:58:22,500 --> 01:58:19,630
details of his investigation and

2541
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:22,510
findings Outer Limits magazine associate

2542
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:24,370
editor Malcolm Robinson will be

2543
01:58:28,860 --> 01:58:26,770
returning to discuss his new publication

2544
01:58:31,710 --> 01:58:28,870
all about the bobtail a close encounter

2545
01:58:33,450 --> 01:58:31,720
or as it's also known the deck mont

2546
01:58:35,070 --> 01:58:33,460
woods incident and is with great honor

2547
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:35,080
that we announce our very special

2548
01:58:40,710 --> 01:58:37,930
speaker making a trip to the united

2549
01:58:43,230 --> 01:58:40,720
kingdom from america with what shall be

2550
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:43,240
his first a visit to the UK to present

2551
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:45,970
its own story in a public forum that

2552
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:48,130
shall be the only remaining witness to

2553
01:58:53,190 --> 01:58:50,800
this famous pascagoula abduction Calvin

2554
01:58:55,230 --> 01:58:53,200
Parker without a doubt this will be a

2555
01:58:57,330 --> 01:58:55,240
once-in-a-lifetime chance to meet and

2556
01:58:59,840 --> 01:58:57,340
hear Calvin's most intriguing case

2557
01:59:02,490 --> 01:58:59,850
straight from the only surviving witness

2558
01:59:05,190 --> 01:59:02,500
working alongside our limits magazine is

2559
01:59:07,590 --> 01:59:05,200
michael most of the new inside our

2560
01:59:10,050 --> 01:59:07,600
limits radio show that's philip mantle

2561
01:59:12,540 --> 01:59:10,060
the publisher of flying disc press and

2562
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:12,550
philip is no stranger to investigations

2563
01:59:16,410 --> 01:59:14,530
himself we are extremely grateful for

2564
01:59:19,650 --> 01:59:16,420
Philips continued support of our limits

2565
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:19,660
magazine and our endeavors tickets for

2566
01:59:24,510 --> 01:59:21,970
the day are priced at 20 pound each plus

2567
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:24,520
a 1 pound 80 paypal fee and are now

2568
01:59:34,710 --> 01:59:28,330
available to order at Chris zero five

2569
01:59:38,460 --> 01:59:34,720
nine seven dots Wix site comm /out er -

2570
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:38,470
limits - mag and remember we have

2571
01:59:43,830 --> 01:59:41,170
strictly a limited seating available to

2572
01:59:45,690 --> 01:59:43,840
a maximum 250 since the announcement the

2573
01:59:48,660 --> 01:59:45,700
tickets were available they have already

2574
01:59:50,790 --> 01:59:48,670
started selling and very quickly so